A Quick Jaguar XFR

[gary350]

Very nice.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtbTeGOids

gary

 

[Mudster]

That's quick.....

I was driving into work this morning and followed a series of super saloons/estates as I made my way in......

I was thinking about the progress of these cars and how we've reached a point where 200mph is a wholly reachable speed. Yet we've also reached a level of policing that makes all this speed and power almost completely redundant (unless you happen to drive to track days, the nurburgring or visit Germany).

I get track day cars completely, Porsche GT3's and such even Caterhams, I understand the reason behind buying something completely set up for racing, which you drive to a track then drive home again.

However, take the new RS6 Avant Audi, 5.2 V10 twin turbo, this thing is enormously fast, it will reach 200mph unrestricted and it's also enormously heavy so it's not a track car.......

Sure I get why people want the freedom of choice......but as a daily driver? The S6 does everyhting an RS6 can do and in turn a nice 3.0 TFsi A6 does everything the S6 can do, including sub 6 second 0-60 and 155 mph restricted top speeds.....

Are these supersaloons becoming a little redundant simply by real world restrictions?

The cars are developing so much that even mid range models are hugely fast, a C350 Mercedes is running pretty much the same top speed as a C63 Amg with it's restriction in place..or any other AMG for that matter. Sure, it doesn't get there as quickly, but it's not exactly what you call slow.

I wonder if we've reached the pinnacle of development for these race car engined saloons?

 

[PJayUK]

I can't get excited about anything Jaguar do these days now that there essentially an Indian company. I have been a Jaguar owner and fan for years but wouldn't touch another one....

 

[A210AMG]

Nice video,

While doing a road trip years ago myself and brother went to the salt flats and there was a race meet on...its an awesome place.

We took the hire car down the run and off the clock at 120mph feels weired, nothing to judge your speed, white out everywhere cannot tell where you are very odd sensation.


I agree these days with cars and speed, I can on the roads I know have a good go even in my ML.

Save it for the track cars and track days, much more fun.

 

[big x]

I can't get excited about anything Jaguar do these days now that there essentially an Indian company. I have been a Jaguar owner and fan for years but wouldn't touch another one....

Why ? What's the difference between an American financed operation or Indian. The design and build remains British.
One thing that's already happening is a more performance orientated outlook. The same process as with Aston Martin once freed of Ford political correctness.

 

[PJayUK]

I have spent many years working with Indian companies (on UK Govt contracts mainly) and do not respect there work ethics, corporate principles and attitude to European organisations.

Long story not one best covered on this forum, but its certainly nothing to do with racism.

 

[Mudster]

The Indians are terribly difficult people to do business with ( I mean dealing directly with India).

I import a lot of material from the country, they don't see lying or deception as a moral issue...it's just part of business to them. As soon as you understand that, you simply assume they are lying all the time and await proof they aren't, it's an awful way to do business, but it's the the only way to deal with them and stay sane.

 

[Mactech]

That's quick.....



I wonder if we've reached the pinnacle of development for these race car engined saloons?

I have to agree that the speed of these cars is completly ridiculous for use on the road.
But I have done the Bonneville bit, and prepared hyper saloons for these sort of speeds. What it does do is focus engineers on getting the optimum from the cars. Did you spot the aero package on the Jag? Parts of that will find their way to production models of the future.
Engine power is a small part of going fast, but the aero tweaks will help future generations of road users get better consumption.
If the attempts are succesfull, then the marketing guys don't exactly hate it!
I, for one, am glad to see Jaguar get a new record with a full 4 seater car, even if I was responsible for their previous record with the 220....it was a long time ago!

 

[PJayUK]

Very well put, we had serious issues with honesty and integrity when dealing with a certain very large company that has just invested in UK car manufacturing. Just a matter of personal principle also my Jaguar XJ8 felt like a piece of agricultural machinery in comparison to my SClass.... I wont be going back.

 

[gary350]

I can't get excited about anything Jaguar do these days now that there essentially an Indian company. I have been a Jaguar owner and fan for years but wouldn't touch another one....

You are missing out nowadays Jaguar are equal if not better than the germans, TaTa are bringing new live to the company.

gary

 

[PJayUK]

I would still buy an EType though!

 

[gary350]

Just posted this on the other XF thread.

The engines.

http://www.jaguarperformance.com/engines/

gary