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Apple v Microsoft

I can only concur with Spinal's 1st paragraph. Follow it and you won't be disappointed:)

For a personal user, that is. If you're running a 100 (or more) user network you'd need to have some really strong business case for anyining other than MS these days. The XP desktop/Server 2003 combination works.

Colin.
 
So the MS Vs Apple debate still boils down to how many buttons on a mouse after 20 years of debate:)

Actually I think the debate has been refined to *how* the button works as opposed to the actual number of buttons.

After 20 years this is progress :D
 
Ahh, mouse button V238.7, progress is wonderful:) And Xp is only at SP2 (and a large number of hotfixes, hehe).

Few things (apart from me, of course) are perfect.....:)
 
If you're running a 100 (or more) user network you'd need to have some really strong business case for anyining other than MS these days. The XP desktop/Server 2003 combination works.

Colin.

Well when there's many offices worldwide and you're principally a design company who's primary desktop is a mac the powers that be deigned that we use AD and of course there's single sign on that doesn't work, contstant unbinding, entourage that doesn't work to well hasn't got the same feature set as outlook, so it really suits admin/project managers and accountants but not designers/artworkers and general creatives. So evaluating this for outlook:

http://www.vmware.com/beta/fusion/index.html

Looks and works very good and more promising than parallels.

As for games on yer mac I've had halo & call of duty (but I play xbox 360 so don't bother with PC or mac games)

http://www.apple.com/games/


oh and sarbanes oxley anyone?


and after all that I'm sitting here on a dell inspiron 1300 laptop using firefox typing this, still love me macs though, have an 120 page brochure to do in a minute.
 
Well when there's many offices worldwide and you're principally a design company who's primary desktop is a mac the powers that be deigned that we use AD and of course there's single sign on that doesn't work, contstant unbinding, entourage that doesn't work to well hasn't got the same feature set as outlook, so it really suits admin/project managers and accountants but not designers/artworkers and general creatives. So evaluating this for outlook:

What do you mean single-sign on doesn't work with windows? I might be mistaken, but I do believe that with Xp clients and a 2003 server you can use single-sign on (and it should be fairly pain-free to set up)...

As for unbinding; I find that we get roughly the same windows and osx computers coming unbound - its roughly 1 of each ever month or two...

Entourage? We are FirstClass disciples :p

(on a side note - just had my interview with Oxford - they use apple hardware!)

Parallels? Way to slow, and until the last version didn't even support DirectX!

Michele
 
Parallels? Way to slow, and until the last version didn't even support DirectX!

Eh? I have used each and every single of Parallels since inception, and I've had one or two builds that were sluggish. I can boot a fully configured XP machine in a window on my mac faster than a P4 3.0Ghz with a 10,000rpm disk! It was that very reason that I sold the desktop. This is consistent on both my 2.0Ghz Core Duo Macbook w/2GB, and my 2.16Ghz Core 2 Duo iMac with 1GB. (edit: in fact it's so fast, that I have demonstrated it to people, who then went and bought a Mac instead of a new PC)

DirectX is of no use to me at all. I guess gamers would want it, but you'd be an idiot to use a Mac for PC gaming in OSX - just use bootcamp!

I am a big fan of VMWare on other platforms, but it's not really doing much more for me than Parallels can.

"Oh and one last thing......." - Coherence mode in Parallels... Game Over
 
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What do you mean single-sign on doesn't work with windows? I might be mistaken, but I do believe that with Xp clients and a 2003 server you can use single-sign on (and it should be fairly pain-free to set up)...

As for unbinding; I find that we get roughly the same windows and osx computers coming unbound - its roughly 1 of each ever month or two...

Entourage? We are FirstClass disciples :p

(on a side note - just had my interview with Oxford - they use apple hardware!)

Parallels? Way to slow, and until the last version didn't even support DirectX!

Michele

I meant single sign on doesn't work well on the mac, to problematic, VMware is dx8.1 compatible and I had to get rid of my firstclass server as the big-wigs in London wanted Exchange, Firstclass is still running and they can still log in when checking old mail didn't bother creating mbox files for everything on it.

Don't get me wrong scotth I still install parallels for those that require it but the behemoth that VMware is I would have more trust in their experience in the virtualisation market and according to the IT guys in London fusion is starting to look very promising.

They're also evaluating casper from JAMF as a way of standardising builds, updates etc.

Michelle - apple hardware? as in xserves/xraids or desktops, should be fun considering you're not mad about them.
 
Nialler: 2 things;
1- its Michele (pronounced Mi-ke-le). Yes, I am a guy - its the Italian version of Michael

2- we have 6 xserves (2 of which are the new 4 processor intel machines) and 3 apple raid arrays. This is all combined with a Win2003 firewall/proxy/webfilter (running Microsoft ISA but were looking at alternatives that integrate with opendirectory). We have roughly 400 apple desktops, 200 apple laptops (boosted by another 120ish now) and a few windows/dell machines.

Michele
 
If your desktop is principally ( but not wholly) mac, then you do need to do some proper planning, and in that case MS may well not be the best way - exactly the business case to test the system designers mettle:)

My systems are mostly XP, with NT4, Windows 95, dos, unix and a couple of macs. Add some VMe stuff, PLCs, hi-def cameras all networked and talking reasonably well, but a nightmare to set up!

The XP stuff is a doddle (assuming you've planned properly), the legacy stuff is a pain, particularly unix, and the macs work fine, but the users seem to need a lot of support relatively.

All good fun, and keeps me employed, hehe.

Colin.
 
Thanks for the correction, but I never try to guess gender on these things. I have a few associates named Mary (quite a popular name in Ireland) and they all shave most mornings (no jokes they're men).

Nice setup btw, I've got an old G4 Xserve which hasn't coughed in nearly 3 years of 24/7 operation and an xraid that's been growing as needs be, have put in a recommendation for the new quad xeon & another xraid though to be honest the G4 handles everything effortlessly, replaced one processor module fan on it due to a dodgy software update from apple which caused erroneous temperature readings, next update sorted it, where the HP xeon based blade that I have in there I've cleaned 4 times in 1 year plus replaced the fans on it last week and sounds like a F15 on takeoff everytime it overheats (there's only 40 people working there and they're hard to pursuade to put in a dedicated airconned server room (I said I'd build it meself).

How do you manage updates on the machines and software installs with such a large installed base, netboot & home directories on the server?
 
parallel and boot camp

Me again - the one who started this debate.....

What's the difference between parallel and boot camp - do they do the same thing - i.e. allow windows to be run on an apple computer?
 
and they're hard to pursuade to put in a dedicated airconned server room (I said I'd build it meself).

How do you manage updates on the machines and software installs with such a large installed base, netboot & home directories on the server?
Tell me about it! We have an air-con system that is grossly underpowered, and only after writing a formal letter to both the head of IT and head of the organisation stating that I was not going to take any responsability for the servers melting down as soon as the weather got "better" did they pay any attention! I managed to get an air-con man (sorry, I can't call them engineers - Engineers are people with engineering degrees) in to regas the system, remove the timer from the server room (can you believe they had a 12on-12off timer even in the server room!?) and inspect the whole system. Now I've managed to get permission to get a smaller backup air-con installed; but I feel that with the addition of the new xserves I will be running this as an add-on more than as a backup.

We have fiddled with Apple's update system - so now instead of polling Apple for updates it polls one of our servers. The desktops are set to check the server on a daily basis (on boot) and update automatically. On a daily basis, I check for updates, and anything I feel needs to go out I will test on 2 machines first (intel/ppc - a few more if its a big update). If I feel its "safe" (relying on the all time proven gut instinct mixed with a quick web-search) it gets added to the update server and hence gets pushed out (well, pulled) to all the machines when they reboot.

All our users have network accounts, with no information stored on the local machines other than the actual software (and iMovie files which the Xserves/raids CANNOT handle due to sheer size). All this is handled by apple's built-in user-management system (open directory I believe). The home dirs are on 2 raids (the third being for backups). These get backed up on a daily basis to a on-site machine, and on a weekly basis to an off-site machine (which really is another on site machine, but in another building).

Software gets deployed 2 times a year; we create a total of 4 "base" images every year (intel/ppc, every 6 months). Basically we take 2 computers, format them, install everything we need and uninstall anything we think is useless/dangerous/junk/etc then image the drives - this then gets netbooted and the computer is cloned in about 15 minutes. I tend to do this DURING the actual school year as I can use the IT teachers as aides in the process (it really is just restart, hold n, press spacebar). Any software aquired during the year that needs immediate deployment (its rare, but it happens) gets passed around with remote desktop (a little slow, but it eventually gets the job done).

Me again - the one who started this debate.....

What's the difference between parallel and boot camp - do they do the same thing - i.e. allow windows to be run on an apple computer?

Parallels runs from within OsX. This means you have both operating systems (OsX and Windows) using your ram and processor at the same time. You need to boot first into OsX to get to Windows. That said, once IN OsX, you do not need to reboot to get to windows. Originally, this was though of as a emulation of an x86 (intel compatible) processor, but with the newer macs using intel processors, all this is is a machine virtualisation system.

Bootcamp is a boot-loader; by holding alt at startup, you can choose what operating system to boot. (I have my default set to Windows). This has the advantage of not using as much ram/processor/gfx but it does mean that if you want to run the other operating system - you need to reboot. (That said, I can't think of anything stopping you from running both bootcamp and parallels... other than maybe hard drive space)

If you are the sort of user that likes OsX, but occasionally needs things to run under windows (that aren't too processor intensive) go with parallels. If, like me, you do alot of 3D graphics-intensive stuff - go with bootcamp!

Lastly, bootcamp is free (from Apple) while parallels you need to pay for...

Michele

EDIT: one final advice: irrelevant of which method you use; I recomend making 3 partitions:
- Mac OsX Partition (cant remember now, but I believe HFS+)
- Windows Paritions (NTFS)
- Scratch/Store Partition (FAT32)

The reason for this is that Windows XP/Vista LOVES NTFS and HATES Fat32. Hence, you want it running in NTFS. That said, OsX cannot write to NTFS (but it can read from it) - and windows cannot read nor write to HFS+. As such, you use the third partition (usually alot smaller - I would set it to 5GB on the laptop and 10 on the desktop - enough to move a DVD-r / DVD-dl over) as "swap space". You can think of it as an internal, very fast USB stick. I have on my 160Gb macbook pro:
mac: 100
windows: 50
swap: 10
I realise I violated my advice, but thats because I transfer video files from one to the other(hence the 10 gigs) and use OsX for video editing (hence the 100gigs).
Michele
 
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