Are MB falling out with Bosch????

[Dieselman]

June 3, 2005

Delphi Corporation announced a contract award from DaimlerChrysler to develop and supply a complete diesel common rail and engine management system for a current and future Mercedes engine range.

This is Delphi’s first diesel common rail application with DaimlerChrysler and the first time that DaimlerChrysler has entrusted a supplier with turnkey, complete systems responsibility, including components software and calibration.

The first phase of the project covers the applications engineering and supply of Delphi’s diesel common rail (DCR) 1600 system for an undisclosed Mercedes passenger car model. Further phases are planned to extend the application to an additional vehicle, said Delphi.

Delphi’s DCR 1600 provides more accurate control of small volumes of fuel, introducing the option of up to five injection events. A reduction in NOx of up to 30% is possible through the introduction of a late-pilot injection event.

Question.

Who knows who Delphi used to be??

 

[Maff]

Didn't they make word processing software back in the '90s for the Atari?

 

[Will]

Was it related to Lucas?

 

[Dieselman]

Was it related to Lucas?

None other. Our Brum' brothers fight another day.

 

[IanT]

Interesting, this has also happened with Vauxhall. I think only the V6 engines in Vauxhalls still use Bosch engine management, many of the new engines use Delphi.

Ian.

 

[fuzzer]

bosch prob own delphi now too

bosch own everybody anyways

 

[BonzoDog]

In software terms Delphi was and is an application development package.
In automotive terms it was a part of GM until it was spun off a few years ago. Like many such spin offs they had some soft contracts from GM to see them through the transition. Subsequently they were successful in selling their expertise to all the big manufacturers, including the Japanese and Germans. They have a large development operation here in Luxembourg and a part of that involves the devlopment of top end engine management systems for a number of manufacturers.
A friend of mine who works their though says that he sees the days of current engines numbered and within ten years fuel cells shoudl be well established in the market.
That from the oracle of delphi if software people will forgive the pun.

 

[se97mlm]

I work there too, and will be supporting the very project Dieselman described in the first post: moving to Stuttgart in November YIPPEE!!

 

[Dieselman]

I work there too, and will be supporting the very project Dieselman described in the first post: moving to Stuttgart in November YIPPEE!!

Cool.

Can we have some inside info.

I understand the general concensous is that the Lucas Epic stuff is generally pretty good.
Certainly Bosch common rail pumps seem to be a bit fragile.

When you're at Stuttgart will that mean we can get complimentary tours or even discounts on cars. Have a word upstairs will you.

 

[se97mlm]

I think common rail pumps will continue to be fragile for a while to come, given the bounds of material science to date, but having said that our new pump will be much better than the current generations available today.

Concerning the tours, what a great idea for a GTG, will have to get my feet in the door first though!! I shall be out in Germany for three years initially so plenty of time yet!

Talking of discounts, wonder if i'll get one!

 

[jgevers]

I believe the Bosch systems are more expensive than Delphi and Denso. Given the amount of problems I see with the Delphi and Denso systems on Vauxhalls (mainly electronics) I would get a bit worried.

The Bosch CR systems on Kia and Peugeot have seen a great deal of high pressure pumps failing but this seems to be more to do with the pump specification. The pumps are to small for the pressure/volume. As usual it it the car manufacturers that specify. Manufacturers like Bosch, Delphi and Denso just manufacture.

Because of the problems with common rail and unit injectors I have just changed back to petrol powered cars. The overall cost per mile seems to be lower to me.

regards,

Job

 

[Vlad]

Because of the problems with common rail and unit injectors I have just changed back to petrol powered cars. The overall cost per mile seems to be lower to me.

Interesting to hear that comment from somebody in the know.

I notice that you have a VW TDI.....just wandering whether you know whats causing my friends Audi A6 Tdi 2.0 to have a complete lack of get up and go when you press the accelerator to overtake. Cars at 96,000 miles and I have heard that VW/Audi's etc suffer from MAF's failing and causing this problem.....have you come across this?

 

[jgevers]

The normal things on this engine are MAF sensor and the variable vane part of the turbo sticking in either high or low boost. The car should be on it's second MAF sensor anyway?

regards,

Job

 

[Dieselman]

The car should be on it's second MAF sensor anyway?

Only it's second. A work collegue purchased a Golf 150 and had three replacements in a month.

 

[jeremytaylor]

Its a shame that diesels can't be the good old simple things they used to be. All these CRs, ECUs and emissions regs just make them too complicated and costly for their own good. But still far more economical than a petrol.

I remember Dad had a Peugeot 305 D back in 1978, with something like 60 bhp I guess. Dead slow but dead reliable too. Smoked a bit, mind.

 

[scotth_uk]

Spoke with the old man about the huge quality drive within MB at present. Apparently the biggest challenge is working with their 200+ manufacturers of parts to enure that they are providing quality componentry. Bosch are one of them.

He mentioned that in Aus at present, owners of E Classes are being invited to bring their car in to have AUD$20,000 worth of parts fitted as part of a preventative maintenance program at no cost. A loan car is also provided. Good work I think.

 

[Dieselman]

I remember Dad had a Peugeot 305 D back in 1978, with something like 60 bhp I guess. Dead slow but dead reliable too. Smoked a bit, mind.

Ahh he should have bought it in 1979. That's when the XUD engine was introduced over the Indenor. IIRC The indenor design was then sold to Ford and was called Endura, which powered Focus and Fiesta and Mundane right up to 1999.

No wonder the engine was so bad it was a 1960s design.

 

[jeremytaylor]

Dieselman,

Yes, we are talking pre-XUD days. I didn't realise that PSA sold the old design to Ford. No wonder the first Fiesta, Escort, etc. diesels were soo bad when compared to XUD-engined cars.

Who remembers what car the XUD first appeared in?

Why, it was the dearly departed Talbot Horizon (originally a Simca design until PSA took over Chrysler Europe). Not a car you see often these days!

 

[Dieselman]

Dieselman,

Yes, we are talking pre-XUD days. I didn't realise that PSA sold the old design to Ford. No wonder the first Fiesta, Escort, etc. diesels were soo bad when compared to XUD-engined cars.

Who remembers what car the XUD first appeared in?

Why, it was the dearly departed Talbot Horizon (originally a Simca design until PSA took over Chrysler Europe). Not a car you see often these days!

Hey that's cheating, answering your own question. Just to prove how sad I really am, I actually knew that. As far as I can recall I've only ever seen one and that was in Majorca about 15 Years ago.
XUD powered version, not the Simca.

 

[Plodd]

My Dad used to have a Simca, I can even remember the reg of the bloody thing. What a rot box and you could hear it coming from miles away.