Auto folding mirrors on a W203 '02'

[miro]

Miro maybe your the one who can answer this one.

My 2002 C220 CDI has memory seats on both sides, dimming, dipping and folding mirrors.

Would the front sam still need changed or is it a coding exercise and if so is it a developer version of star thats required?

I went through this exercise and found that

* New left door module and old SAM .... no auto folding

* New left door module and new SAM .... left side auto folds

* New left door modules L+R and new SAM .... both sides auto fold.

Advanced coding was needed.

 

[mbmobile]

You dont need to do any of thi to activate your folding mirrors!!!!! they will work regardless of what from sam and door control modules you have!!!!! it is just a programming issue. as long as you have electric folding mirros on your car it can be programmed up in the DCM's and thr Front SAM and the Cluster so the option can be switched on and off, it is all done with the Mercedes STAR machine. go to them and ask them to program it ion! Daniel M.B.Mobile

 

[miro]

You dont need to do any of thi to activate your folding mirrors!!!!! they will work regardless of what from sam and door control modules you have!!!!! it is just a programming issue. as long as you have electric folding mirros on your car it can be programmed up in the DCM's and thr Front SAM and the Cluster so the option can be switched on and off, it is all done with the Mercedes STAR machine. go to them and ask them to program it ion! Daniel M.B.Mobile

This is a theoretical notion. In reality it works as described.

 

[sunman]

You dont need to do any of this to activate your folding mirrors!!!!! they will work regardless of what from sam and door control modules you have!!!!! it is just a programming issue. as long as you have electric folding mirros on your car it can be programmed up in the DCM's and thr Front SAM and the Cluster so the option can be switched on and off, it is all done with the Mercedes STAR machine. go to them and ask them to program it ion! Daniel M.B.Mobile

 

[nigel cross]

Fight Fight Fight:bannana: :bannana:

 

[mbmobile]

It always works but most of the time technicians do not realise that you have to program all of these units up as well as the central gateway. Depending on the vehicle as coupes dont have the CGW. but all the units have to be programmed on the STAR DIAG machine then the system has to be activated. but it will work.

 

[kbhogalW126]

So Daniel,

Are you able to carry this out yourself?

If so, please advise.

regards,

KJ

 

[miro]

It always works but most of the time technicians do not realise that you have to program all of these units up as well as the central gateway. Depending on the vehicle as coupes dont have the CGW. but all the units have to be programmed on the STAR DIAG machine then the system has to be activated. but it will work.

Folding on the W203 works without any coding at all. Autofolding when locking on the other hand does not work with pre-2005 parts.

This has been tested many times and proven to be true.

 

[perdikoyla888]

Miro,

As already stated my door modules are the following:

DoorControlModule-FrontLeft A203 820 55 26
HardWareversion: 16.2001 SoftWareversion: 11.2001

DoorControlModule-FrontRight A203 820 56 26
HardWareversion: 16.2001 SoftWareversion: 11.2001

What is not clear to you? can you tell me if I need new door modules or not for the autofolding feature? I know that I need a new front SAM but I am not sure about the door modules. Please let me know. thank you

 

[richard]

Miro,

As already stated my door modules are the following:

DoorControlModule-FrontLeft A203 820 55 26
HardWareversion: 16.2001 SoftWareversion: 11.2001

DoorControlModule-FrontRight A203 820 56 26
HardWareversion: 16.2001 SoftWareversion: 11.2001

What is not clear to you? can you tell me if I need new door modules or not for the autofolding feature? I know that I need a new front SAM but I am not sure about the door modules. Please let me know. thank you

Before this turns into a fight .. Miro has been very clear in his advice, and I quote it here

>The inidication given by those that have tried and had a good result
>is that you must have all 2005 / 2006 components. SAM modules in 2005
>specification cars built in 2004 do not have the same software.
>
>Get the same SAM and front door modules as a 2006 W203 and you
>will have no problems.

AND

> Autofolding when locking on the other hand does not work with
> pre-2005 parts.
>
> This has been tested many times and proven to be true.

Since the software version and hardware version of what you have listed seems to have a date in it in 2001 - they are not 2005/2006 components.

- So, if you choose to follow Miro's advice, you should replace them all. You are of course free to ignore Miro's free and always-been-accurate-so-far advice

Now, Mbmobile beleives differently ..
> It always works but most of the time technicians do not realise that
> you have to program all of these units up as well as the central gateway.
BUT, I personally think he is talking about folding and not auto-folding-on-lock/unlock,
The reason I think that is because (a) he doesnt say auto-folding and (b) I've looked at an early W203 and the cluster doesnt have the facility to turn on the menu for auto-folding (c) Miro's advice has always been accurate !

Now, for some reason, even the two very new C classes I looked at do not have auto-folding enabled - but it just needed turning on in various places (SAM, EIS/CGW, DCMs and Cluster I think, but don't quote me!). The messages within Star Diagnosis suggest that MB have chosen not to make it a feature of the model range for marketting reasons ..

Richard

 

[miro]

Since the software version and hardware version of what you have listed seems to have a date in it in 2001 - they are not 2005/2006 components.

- So, if you choose to follow Miro's advice, you should replace them all. You are of course free to ignore Miro's free and always-been-accurate-so-far advice

Now, Mbmobile beleives differently ..
> It always works but most of the time technicians do not realise that
> you have to program all of these units up as well as the central gateway.
BUT, I personally think he is talking about folding and not auto-folding-on-lock/unlock,
The reason I think that is because (a) he doesnt say auto-folding and (b) I've looked at an early W203 and the cluster doesnt have the facility to turn on the menu for auto-folding (c) Miro's advice has always been accurate !

Now, for some reason, even the two very new C classes I looked at do not have auto-folding enabled - but it just needed turning on in various places (SAM, EIS/CGW, DCMs and Cluster I think, but don't quote me!). The messages within Star Diagnosis suggest that MB have chosen not to make it a feature of the model range for marketting reasons ..

Richard

As soon as someone mentions ZGW (Central Gateway) I know they are talking about current cars. My November 2000 W203 doesnt have a central gateway and this function is operable with the specified components.

Many 2003 and 2004 cars had all the coding possible. Some 2004 new spec cars had all the coding done too and still no joy.

It wasnt until a new front SAM hit the market that suddenly everything worked but then it only worked with its matching door controllers.

I should point out that having only one side of the car auto-fold looked really strange for a couple of weeks.

 

[sunman]

First of all, DCM's cannot be flashed. Their options can be enabled or disabled with DAS. If the option string is NOT in the DCM, then you can't code it. Central gateways are present in all w203's for the 2005 model year. Central Gateway's on the w203 are useless. They only code one option which is TELEAID and allow the DAS a way into the MOST ring for configuration of MOST components. You cannot code CGW's for folding mirrors.

 

[richard]

First of all, DCM's cannot be flashed. Their options can be enabled or disabled with DAS. If the option string is NOT in the DCM, then you can't code it. Central gateways are present in all w203's for the 2005 model year. Central Gateway's on the w203 are useless. They only code one option which is TELEAID and allow the DAS a way into the MOST ring for configuration of MOST components. You cannot code CGW's for folding mirrors.

They seem to be combining the central gateway and the EIS into one control unit now. They did this as of 12/2005 build on the A class - and I presume they will (or have done) so on the C class

R

 

[miro]

They seem to be combining the central gateway and the EIS into one control unit now. They did this as of 12/2005 build on the A class - and I presume they will (or have done) so on the C class

R

Cars made after 08-2004 have an integrated EIS with ZGW. It may in fact be later that the actual build run was made.

 

[miro]

First of all, DCM's cannot be flashed. Their options can be enabled or disabled with DAS. If the option string is NOT in the DCM, then you can't code it. Central gateways are present in all w203's for the 2005 model year. Central Gateway's on the w203 are useless. They only code one option which is TELEAID and allow the DAS a way into the MOST ring for configuration of MOST components. You cannot code CGW's for folding mirrors.

As an aside, I notice that the W221 only has 4 wires. Power, ground and Central gateway (2).

All Mercedes modules are eventually going to answer to the central gateway.

 

[sunman]

They seem to be combining the central gateway and the EIS into one control unit now. They did this as of 12/2005 build on the A class - and I presume they will (or have done) so on the C class

R

On the w203 range, a separate CGW is present in cars manufactured 4-2004 to 11-2004. After that it was integrated into EIS.