Average miles per year

[MikeInWimbledon]

Right......not one three pin plug anywhere you are going that you can plug into.......you off the the North pole???? Nowhere is that far from a charge point or at least a 13amp socket these days.

So that anyone with electricity in their home can start the day with full range on their EV....

 

[Londonscottish]

The Fiat 500 does less than 2k pa. Virtually all short London trip bars a random drive to Bath a couple of months ago to visit the uni.

The E500 does 4k-ish. 80% of that is long journeys, the rest when I need to pick something up and the Fiat's already in use.

Living in London so it often makes more sense to walk/use public transport/jump on a Lime Bike etc.

 

[TC350]

Right......not one three pin plug anywhere you are going that you can plug into.......you off the the North pole???? Nowhere is that far from a charge point or at least a 13amp socket these days.

The only long drive I take on a routine basis is to my son’s farm in the Welsh valleys. It’s 210 miles door to front gate. Then a further half a mile along a mountain track that’s only navigable by a 4x4 with a high ground clearance up to his house. My routine is to get to the gate, phone up to the farmhouse for a lift, then park somewhere along the public road and wait for his LandCruiser to arrive. As nice as his village neighbours are, I doubt they’d let me avail myself of their electrical energy.

 

[ALFAitalia]

And the nearest public charging point is how far?

 

[TC350]

Shush !!

We pontificate on reducing CO2 from driving 7,500 miles a year, while

forgetting that "some of us" also fly 10,000 miles a year.

That 10,000 miles would only get me to my sister’s in Melbourne, not home again. It’s a good thing I only go every other year!

My wife and daughter are much greener by only flying to Ulaanbaatar at a mere 4,500 miles each way, although every year.

And don’t tell anyone about the holidays we take together every year, invariably crossing seas and oceans that are a bit tedious in a car.

I’ll confess that our limited car use isn’t aimed at saving the planet, it’s just that we walk a lot. Would I feel I was doing my bit for humanity by cutting out all those flights that are, to be honest, unnecessary? Absolutely not.

 

[alabbasi]

I have three cars in my daily driver rotation and several classic cars that I drive for fun. Even though I work from home, my combined mileage is at least 20,000/year on account that my hobby shop is 130 mile round trip from my house.

 

[Dryce]

Right......not one three pin plug anywhere you are going that you can plug into.......you off the the North pole???? Nowhere is that far from a charge point or at least a 13amp socket these days.

In a sense yes.

But in practice if you are inconvenienced by the time of a journey then messing about to deal with charging becomes another burden. And for those of us making regular trips overing distances that might well be disproportionate - because it all adds up.

And then people like me who do mostly long journeys. These are over (by UK standards) remote geography. And sometimes at times not of my choosing. And at the end I'm often staying staying in a house with on-street parking that may be some distance from the house.

I took a long hard look at acquiring an EV and on balance decided it the cons outweighed the pros *for me*.

I can drive up north and back in winter with range to spare. No worries about refuelling/reccharging en-route or at destination. No time penalties.

Am I the only one? No. I have a neighbour with a Taycan who does frequent journeys from Scotland to south of England - and now realise he would prefer a hybrid or ICE for that. When his lease is up he'll be reconsidering his position.

None of the people I know who make longer journeys on a regular basis are choosing EVs.

And I doubt that it is just my peer group. I don't see many EVs travelling on the A9 or M74 or northern part of the M6 and M1. It's not that people in remote areas are not buying EVs - you see them in the villages and towns. But the usage patterns of those owners mean that they aren't being chosen by those who are travelling longer distances.

 

[TC350]

And the nearest public charging point is how far?

Apparently there’s a solitary 22kW “Connected Kerb” point in the village. The next nearest is over six miles away.

 

[ALFAitalia]

I don't agree.....many of the reps that come in to work are EVs...for obvious tax reasons........they do loads of miles. Its only an issue if you convince yourself it is.....but not so much in the real world. Each to their own though.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

Averages don’t mean a lot, but despite my low carbon footprint resulting from road miles I still have to endure flack from many for my family’s air miles!

We get it the other way. It been on a plate since 2017. Before that it was 2012. Yet I get constant stick from my sister and BIL for running a car and a van. Constantly preaching about their recycling system and the fact they both work from home.

But they love their 3/4 long haul holidays per year.

I wonder who burns the most fuel per head?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I have three cars in my daily driver rotation and several classic cars that I drive for fun. Even though I work from home, my combined mileage is at least 20,000/year on account that my hobby shop is 130 mile round trip from my house.

Sheesh ! 20,000 a year in the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex ?

You old stay at home.

That's really not very far for place where a cinema (Movie Theatre) or Restaurant visit can easily be an 80 mile round trip.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

We get it the other way. It been on a plate since 2017. Before that it was 2012. Yet I get constant stick from my sister and BIL for running a car and a van. Constantly preaching about their recycling system and the fact they both work from home.

But they love their 3/4 long haul holidays per year.

I wonder who burns the most fuel per head?

They do, for sure.

 

[Darrell]

Right......not one three pin plug anywhere you are going that you can plug into.......you off the the North pole???? Nowhere is that far from a charge point or at least a 13amp socket these days.

I think that charging off a 3 pin is extremely slow and your last sentence is a load of rubbish.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

And I doubt that it is just my peer group. I don't see many EVs travelling on the A9 or M74 or northern part of the M6 and M1. It's not that people in remote areas are not buying EVs - you see them in the villages and towns. But the usage patterns of those owners mean that they aren't being chosen by those who are travelling longer distances.

How many of these people in rural Scotland running ICE for long distances are running new vehicles?

We're still at 1 in 25 vehicles being an EV, and virtually all of those are still with their first driver, who typically is running them "for free" thanks to our tax system.

And of course, the older ones are typically "first generation" EV's, like the I3 and E-Golf with 150 mile ranges, as opposed to the second generation EV's with 250-350 mile ranges.

 

[Dryce]

I don't agree.....many of the reps that come in to work are EVs...for obvious tax reasons........they do loads of miles. Its only an issue if you convince yourself it is.....but not so much in the real world. Each to their own though.

The the pros and cons are shifted if you have tax incentives or are being paid to use the vehicle (and thereby paid for any inconveniences in company time). And if you have a business supplied vehicle there may be no choice if the type of vehicle is mandated - which overrides actual personal preferences.

So each to their own - or the mandates of their employer - or the incentives and subsidies of company vehicles.

 

[Dryce]

How many of these people in rural Scotland running ICE for long distances are running new vehicles?

Beware of stereotypes.

 

[Darrell]

In a sense yes.

But in practice if you are inconvenienced by the time of a journey then messing about to deal with charging becomes another burden. And for those of us making regular trips overing distances that might well be disproportionate - because it all adds up.

And then people like me who do mostly long journeys. These are over (by UK standards) remote geography. And sometimes at times not of my choosing. And at the end I'm often staying staying in a house with on-street parking that may be some distance from the house.

I took a long hard look at acquiring an EV and on balance decided it the cons outweighed the pros *for me*.

I can drive up north and back in winter with range to spare. No worries about refuelling/reccharging en-route or at destination. No time penalties.

Am I the only one? No. I have a neighbour with a Taycan who does frequent journeys from Scotland to south of England - and now realise he would prefer a hybrid or ICE for that. When his lease is up he'll be reconsidering his position.

None of the people I know who make longer journeys on a regular basis are choosing EVs.

And I doubt that it is just my peer group. I don't see many EVs travelling on the A9 or M74 or northern part of the M6 and M1. It's not that people in remote areas are not buying EVs - you see them in the villages and towns. But the usage patterns of those owners mean that they aren't being chosen by those who are travelling longer distances.

My BIL has a leccy Lexus and my sister has a diesel E Class Cabrio. My 80 year old mum and her 93 year old husband are over from France where they live and are staying at their flat in Frinton on Sea. My sister lives near Caterham.

My sister charged up the Lexus last Sunday night and set off to collect them on Monday morning. It appears that when it’s cold the mileage decreases and also when it’s cold you’ll need the heater on. This further decreases the mileage.

My sister had to charge up the battery on the return journey and she wasn’t happy because the charging facility was busy and a lot of the chargers weren’t working.
My brother has a diesel Tiguan so he took them back on the 27th and he had no issues.

It turns out that the Lexus is used for short journeys and driving anywhere that involves driving into the Congestion Zone. The Merc is used for all other journeys apart from collecting old people!!

Ps, the Lexus is a company vehicle.

 

[Darrell]

On the flip side,

My lefty tree hugging mate in Skiathos has his entire house on solar. He’s got a little leccy car.

His longest journey is into Skiathos Town from his house in the sticks which is about 8kms.

Based on this he thinks EV’s are brilliant and everyone in the world should buy one!!

 

[BTB 500]

Right......not one three pin plug anywhere you are going that you can plug into.......you off the the North pole???? Nowhere is that far from a charge point or at least a 13amp socket these days.

A 2kW charge from a 13A socket isn't going to do much (particularly when you're losing 15% or more) but ... care home car park - nope. Hospital car park - you're lucky to find a space at all. Crematorium - nope. My parents' old house - nope, unless you hung a cable out of a window and ran it across the pavement. Ditto both of my sisters' houses. ExCel centre in London - nope (there's no EV charging there at all). Anywhere we go in the Vito (big grass fields at agricultural showgrounds etc.) - nope. Etc.

 

[Skd884]

There are numerous lampost chargers in London.