C450 AMG coming in June 2016

[The _Don]

Please re locate this thread it does not belong in the amg lounge.

;0)

 

[Deleted member 65149]

If AMG owners are going to be so snobbish, should we have different sections for every level of MB? For instance, why should I with my C350 petrol have anything to do with the obviously inferior C220 diesel plebs? And as for A-class minions, should they even be allowed anywhere near this forum? How about password entry for each of the 50 or so sections we'd probably need so that we can ensure no interlopers?

Anyway, I like the sound of the C450AMG. If it comes without that stupid iPad stuck on the dashboard I'd be seriously tempted. Some sophisticated power in a 4WD saloon without sacrificing comfort sounds good to me. I've always considered the "true" AMG completely wasted in anything other than more blatantly sports cars. SL great, even the SLK55 is lovely, but why anyone wants all that noise and rock hard suspension in a saloon, estate or even coupe is beyond me. But that's their choice. As said earlier, something a bit more practical has to be the best solution. I'm sure I could keep up with any "real" AMG on British roads without driving illegally, and without having my ears and backside tormented. The C450AMG would probably leave most standing when we have a bit of snow!

 

[StuartK]

There have been a few threads on this subject and the reality is it depends on where you set the benchmark before it's compared to where we are now.

Selling more of a brand isn't ruining it, it's good marketing, in fact it's sound business practice.

If it's considered being watered down, then technically that happened when MB bought a controlling stake in AMG in 1990 eventually taking it over in full in 2005. As before that a fully mechanical AMG cost more than a new Aston Martin or Bentley and was an exclusive bespoke vehicle. Realistically we're talking north of £250K today as an entry level.

Now you buy an A45 AMG for a reasonable monthly payment pretty much anywhere in the country.

Question:- Is an A45 AMG a genuine AMG and do you consider that ruining the brand?

Is a C450 AMG lower, higher or on the same peg as an A45 AMG or GLA45 for that matter?

Yes the A45 is a real AMG because it follows the AMG philosophy: One man, one engine.

The C450 doesn't.

 

[Andrew W]

What's the power and engine type on these
,it does sound quirky .

 

[supaer]

If AMG owners are going to be so snobbish, should we have different sections for every level of MB? For instance, why should I with my C350 petrol have anything to do with the obviously inferior C220 diesel plebs? And as for A-class minions, should they even be allowed anywhere near this forum? How about password entry for each of the 50 or so sections we'd probably need so that we can ensure no interlopers?

Anyway, I like the sound of the C450AMG. If it comes without that stupid iPad stuck on the dashboard I'd be seriously tempted. Some sophisticated power in a 4WD saloon without sacrificing comfort sounds good to me. I've always considered the "true" AMG completely wasted in anything other than more blatantly sports cars. SL great, even the SLK55 is lovely, but why anyone wants all that noise and rock hard suspension in a saloon, estate or even coupe is beyond me. But that's their choice. As said earlier, something a bit more practical has to be the best solution. I'm sure I could keep up with any "real" AMG on British roads without driving illegally, and without having my ears and backside tormented. The C450AMG would probably leave most standing when we have a bit of snow!

When it snows i will use my golf r and blow out the guy who bought a c450

I mean look at all the models that are high powered but not quite the real thing they are expensive and pointless... its like owning a speedboat and trying to drive it in a paddling pool.

Not for me.... yeah it should be in a different section as this is the AMG section.... just saying

casts fishing rod!

 

[Del80y]

A quote from MBUSA

"One glance at the all-new 2016 C450 AMG 4MATIC tells you that it is true AMG"

https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/future/model/model-2016_C450_AMG_SPORT

 

[cb1965]

If AMG owners are going to be so snobbish, should we have different sections for every level of MB? For instance, why should I with my C350 petrol have anything to do with the obviously inferior C220 diesel plebs? And as for A-class minions, should they even be allowed anywhere near this forum? How about password entry for each of the 50 or so sections we'd probably need so that we can ensure no interlopers?

Anyway, I like the sound of the C450AMG. If it comes without that stupid iPad stuck on the dashboard I'd be seriously tempted. Some sophisticated power in a 4WD saloon without sacrificing comfort sounds good to me. I've always considered the "true" AMG completely wasted in anything other than more blatantly sports cars. SL great, even the SLK55 is lovely, but why anyone wants all that noise and rock hard suspension in a saloon, estate or even coupe is beyond me. But that's their choice. As said earlier, something a bit more practical has to be the best solution. I'm sure I could keep up with any "real" AMG on British roads without driving illegally, and without having my ears and backside tormented. The C450AMG would probably leave most standing when we have a bit of snow!

I think you are protesting way too much! Why not just give in to temptation, sell the dull boring cooking model and get the AMG you know you crave. You'll feel much better then

 

[Red C220]

The question is why didn't they call it C45AMG, since it has some (if not all) of the suspension parts and a detuned 63 engine.

It's not a detuned 63 engine, it's a remapped "400" 3.0 V6 with running gear from the 63. Definitely suspension and steering and maybe brakes?

The UK likes this kind of marketing, it's actually what makes the AMG brand so successful.

Without this marketing, many of the cars coveted on this forum wouldn't exist.

All the C180 CGI AMG Lines and E220 CDI AMG Lines all pay for the research and development of A45's, C63's, E63's etc. Without all the add on brand value, many of the "real" AMG cars wouldn't be financially viable or simply wouldn't have been developed.

If anyone has any facts (rather than conjecture) about what input the AMG factory has had into the C450 AMG I'd be genuinely interested to know.

If the standard 400 motor is remapped by AMG at AMG and C63 suspension, steering and brakes are fitted to the car are manufactured AMG parts as fitted to a C63 AMG does it not have a right to carry the brand name?

After all, Mercedes sold me an E220CDI AMG Sport Estate and an SL400 AMG Sport.

Sure they don't have huge output V8 engines, but Mercedes makes it very clear that the cars with the one man, one engine philosophy are very clearly branded with only a two digit moniker, quite clearly I might add.

So why do we all get so upset? It's a brand that's very effectively been used for marketing. MB would be daft not to do it. It's no different to the M cars or S or RS cars.

If it's exclusivity you're after (and at the risk of starting to sound like Nick Mercedes) then that was lost the moment that all these cars were made available at comfortable monthly payment with huge discounts off list. But Mercedes aren't in the market of supplying Exclusivity, they are in the market of shifting vast numbers of units and selling you finance at the same time adding the letters AMG to lower spec models helps them do this.

The fact C180 GCI AMG Lines exist, allows this to happen.

 

[DazNich]

I've driven it in saloon and estate. on track and on the open road

And.... how was it?

 

[Red C220]

What's the power and engine type on these
,it does sound quirky .

3.0 V6 twin turbo 4WD.

It's a slightly more tuned version of the engine from the E400 and SL400

Circa 360hp I think.

 

[DazNich]

When it snows i will use my golf r and blow out the guy who bought a c450


casts fishing rod!

Golf R 0-62 : 4.9 (or 5.1 manual)
C450 0-62 : 4.9

Not sure you'd blow anybody out unless you meant something else

 

[DazNich]

And it's also listed on the American AMG website with all the other AMG's so it must be one!

Mercedes-AMG

 

[supaer]

My Golf R is running Stage 2+ so it blows my C63 out up to 160. If you don't know what Stage 2+ is youtube a few videos. Here is one... Not mine though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6I9ioUVx_E

So yeah blows out a 450

 

[Red C220]

My Golf R is running Stage 2+ so it blows my C63 out up to 160. If you don't know what Stage 2+ is youtube a few videos. Here is one... Not mine though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6I9ioUVx_E

So yeah blows out a 450

But it wouldn't blow a 1985 Ford Capri running a 5.7 blower and NOS. Which is about as relevant as your example.

I was of the understanding we were discussing specs of vehicles as they left the factory, not once they'd been "Max powered".

 

[supaer]

And it's also listed on the American AMG website with all the other AMG's so it must be one!

Mercedes-AMG

Also Americans are king of branding so i wouldn't listen to much to them. If it was an AMG it would have the markings on the back, plus brake set up etc...

Car and Driver

This looks like exactly what BMW did with the M5 and 550i

 

[supaer]

But it wouldn't blow a 1985 Ford Capri running a 5.7 blower and NOS. Which is about as relevant as your example.

I was of the understanding we were discussing specs of vehicles as they left the factory, not once they'd been "Max powered".

No there is a difference between Max Powered and tuning your car, big difference.... So lets not get into that argument. You will loose that especially in this forum..

Even so the weight of the mercedes is more and the 4wd system from VW/Audi is superior to that of Mercedes

 

[Red C220]

Also Americans are king of branding so i wouldn't listen to much to them. If it was an AMG it would have the markings on the back, plus brake set up etc...

Car and Driver

This looks like exactly what BMW did with the M5 and 550i

I have a feeling it does have a similar brake set up as the C63, as well as suspension and steering. That's why I asked if anyone actually had any factual information about it.

 

[supaer]

I have a feeling it does have a similar brake set up as the C63, as well as suspension and steering. That's why I asked if anyone actually had any factual information about it.

read my link above from the US website. It has quite a bit of info on it. A Porsche Carrera and Porsche Turbo have similar set ups - However there is a large difference between the two.

My point is cars like that are destined for failure in the UK, people won't buy it as it is pointless when you can spend a little bit more and get the whole thing. If the set up and suspension is the same as you say then it won't be anymore comfortable than a standard c63, so its just a bit of a pointless venture

 

[Red C220]

No there is a difference between Max Powered and tuning your car, big difference.... So lets not get into that argument. You will loose that especially in this forum..

Even so the weight of the mercedes is more and the 4wd system from VW/Audi is superior to that of Mercedes

However just to be clear, this thread is discussing the vehicles as they left the factory and if they are considered genuine or non genuine AMG branded vehicles. So far it's been a reasonable conversation and it would be good if it managed to stay that way.

I'm posing what I see as pertinent questions.

I see the clear argument that a 220 diesel should be carrying AMG badges, I get where people are coming from on that front. But I find these new 450 models a grey area. I feel there's enough AMG DNA in them for them to have a reasonable claim to the badge.

Lets not go all Pistonheads about this shall we. Plenty of room over there to throw you're Remapped Golf R around.

 

[Alex]

However just to be clear, this thread is discussing the vehicles as they left the factory and if they are considered genuine or non genuine AMG branded vehicles. So far it's been a reasonable conversation and it would be good if it managed to stay that way.

I'm posing what I see as pertinent questions.

I see the clear argument that a 220 diesel should be carrying AMG badges, I get where people are coming from on that front. But I find these new 450 models a grey area. I feel there's enough AMG DNA in them for them to have a reasonable claim to the badge.

Lets not go all Pistonheads about this shall we. Plenty of room over there to throw you're Remapped Golf R around.

This has been discussed before. In short, if I fit a set of Brabus brakes to my car, can I call it a Brabus?