Clarkson, The End?

[Londonscottish]

I read an article on the 'offensive' comment, reported on the BBC, bashing Clarkson and saying how appalling he was, with undertones suggesting he was sexist and raciest.
When I got to the quote, I immediately thought I can see Jeremy's intended angle of humour in this; obviously a parody of the Queen's walk of shame in Game of Thrones, and that the only people who couldn't see this were people who haven't seen GoT (which admittedly, could be a lot of people).
I also balanced this against the sometimes quoted posturing Jeremy gives about his own writing, and I remember a Top Gear when he had, I think two Jags Prescott on, or maybe spin doctor Alistair Campbell for Star in a Reasonably Priced Car, where he said "come on John/Alistair, you don't believe what you say any more than I believe what I write!".

I think to take what is (and I can't prove what was in Jeremy's brain at the time) his consistent approach to mick-taking and not in any way seriously meaning or believing what he says, and say in this instance it is the height of *insert unbearable offence caused*, the outcry might be a bit of an over-reaction in my personal view. Yes, everyone has a right to be offended, but no doubt a minority of the offended are probably actually and really experiencing the hated Jeremy is supposed to have harbored towards Megs (according to his column as if it were a statement of fact), when there was no such hatred on Jeremy's side in the first place. How ironic.

I haven't a clue about Game of Thrones but just read Clarkson's piece as a generic spoof on misogyny in mediaeval times ie I didn't for one minute read any more into it than that; it was just his usual hyperbole.

BUT I did think he'd opened a massive can of worms by taking on MM's narrative head on. He was bound to fail. Look what happened to Graham Linehan when he tackled the trans lobby. His career is in tatters now just because he dared question some of their attitudes and tactics.

Both doomed to fail.

 

[Deleted member 55947]

A statement from a perceived right winger is far more likely to offend than a similar one from a perceived Left winger. A prime example is Miriam Margoyles.
Not so much a cancel culture more of a selective cancel culture

 

[Darrell]

A statement from a perceived right winger is far more likely to offend than a similar one from a perceived Left winger. A prime example is Miriam Margoyles.
Not so much a cancel culture more of a selective cancel culture

Correct.

I have friends who love Miriam Margoyles because ‘she says it like it is’. When I say it like it (as I do quite often) I get called all sorts.

 

[m80]

Both doomed to fail.

But as more people become offended by those that are continually offended about any flippin' thing, aren't the offended more likely to fail.
Who has the right to be more offended?
Can we cancel the cancel culture?
Are the politically correct always correct?
Was Jesus a black man, or possibly a woman who identified as a man in a long dress? Does it matter?

 

[ChrisHGTV]

But as more people become offended by those that are continually offended about any flippin' thing, aren't the offended more likely to fail.
Who has the right to be more offended?
Can we cancel the cancel culture?
Are the politically correct always correct?
Was Jesus a black man, or possibly a woman who identified as a man in a long dress? Does it matter?

I always thought Jesus was a social construct!

 

[m80]

I always thought Jesus was a social construct!

I'm not going to argue the odds, but many would, and will for another 2 millennia or so.

 

[DrNick]

To be honest i think it very much depends how you interpret his comments. Yes i can see it would be easy to take offense. However, i view JC as more akin to a comedian in the content he puts out - and i take his words in that way. If we have to interpret his words (and everyones words) literally then i think we as a society come unstuck - because that would erase most chance of humour/comedy. There is a line of course, and certain taboo areas but i don't believe JC crossed the line on this occasion. I admit though ive not studied the whole thing in detail. My initial thought on reading his comment was that it was a joking reference to how people were treated say in the Middle Ages. I don't watch Game of Thrones but i know enough about Medieval history to understand this kind of thing happened. And not for one minute did i interpret his words literally.

Personally i think we are in phase where the default is to immediately be offended without having the capacity to take a step back and really try to understand the true intent of what has been said.

Have you asked your wife, girlfriend or daughter what they think? If you interpret the comments as written, they are offensive and threatening to 50% of the population. Even he has apologised unreservedly.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Clearly the softies who take this stuff to heart have never seen Jimmy Carr at full tilt! Get over it people. I cant stand the woman either!!

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[ChrisHGTV]

Have you asked your wife, girlfriend or daughter what they think? If you interpret the comments as written, they are offensive and threatening to 50% of the population. Even he has apologised unreservedly.

I asked my wife and ok she may be biased as she can't stand Meghan and Harry, but really isn't bothered either way with what JC said. Yes he has apologised, but i believe this has more to do with the backlash than what he actually thinks. He's too smart to not understand what he said and do we really think this was published without further approval? The real issue here though is exactly as you say - "...if you interpret the comments as written..." If we take that blanket approach to everything we'll also end up burning half of the greatest literary works known to humankind. (and to prove im not from the Stone age you'll notice i didn't say mankind!)

 

[markjay]

Clearly the softies who take this stuff to heart have never seen Jimmy Carr at full tilt! Get over it people. I cant stand the woman either!!

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Jimmy Carr's jokes are directed at groups of people, or at individuals who willingly participate by being in the audience. But it's very rare for him to take a pot shot at an individual or celebrity that are not present in the audience. At least, I can't remember any such jokes.

 

[Darrell]

Jimmy Carr's jokes are directed at groups of people, or at individuals who willingly participate by being in the audience. But it's very rare for him to take a pot shot at an individual or celebrity that are not present in the audience. At least, I can't remember any such jokes.

And he takes it on the chin when people take the piss out of him regarding his ‘tax efficiency schemes’.

 

[markjay]

And he takes it on the chin when people take the piss out of him regarding his ‘tax efficiency schemes’.

True. In fact, he actually disarms the critics by pre-emptively making self-deprecating jokes about his failed tax avoidance scheme.

 

[ALFAitalia]

Very true.......there was another video with far worse....but just as funny! Thought I better not push it!!

 

[Darrell]

True. In fact, he actually disarms the critics by pre-emptively making self-deprecating jokes about his failed tax avoidance scheme.

And by doing this he puts them straight on the back foot. He’s a clever guy.

 

[Steveml63]

True. In fact, he actually disarms the critics by pre-emptively making self-deprecating jokes about his failed tax avoidance scheme.

Absolutely!
Saw him live in Abu Dhabi a few weeks back (he pocketed some cash on the way to his Australian tour)
Considering the rules & laws in the UAE - his act was very similar to one he would do in the UK.
He mentioned his tax efficiency problems, hair transplant and plastic surgery within his act.

 

[Londonscottish]

But as more people become offended by those that are continually offended about any flippin' thing, aren't the offended more likely to fail.
Who has the right to be more offended?
Can we cancel the cancel culture?
Are the politically correct always correct?
Was Jesus a black man, or possibly a woman who identified as a man in a long dress? Does it matter?

We'll never know. Debate is dead on all this stuff. No opinions are allowed now except for the "correct" ones.

 

[DrNick]

Jimmy Carr's jokes are directed at groups of people, or at individuals who willingly participate by being in the audience. But it's very rare for him to take a pot shot at an individual or celebrity that are not present in the audience. At least, I can't remember any such jokes.

I've no problem with Jimmy Carr or others like him. You go to one of his shows, you pretty much know what to expect and if you you don't like it, don't go (or watch). Good comedians are able to take tricky subjects and point out the absurdity. JC publishing in the Sun is an opinion (in)fomer. So there is a danger that people will take it literally, especially as (if we believe him) he left out part of what he wanted to say (the Game of Thrones bit).

Anyway, he's apologised. Maybe his daughter is speaking to him again now.

 

[Londonscottish]

Correct.

I have friends who love Miriam Margoyles because ‘she says it like it is’. When I say it like it (as I do quite often) I get called all sorts.

I'm on WhatsApp group formed by a bunch of folks who support the same football team and like the same music. We spun it off from the original website because we were getting more and more indignant comments from some of the more woke members of that message board. They just seemed to think they had complete moral high round on absolutely everything.

I've since become really good mates with a load of them and we all go to games together now. Lovely bunch of fellas, lots of different backgrounds and opinions and that's fine! We can all have opinions about stuff. It's ironic we've had to bin off the old message board just to have normal conversations........

But that's the way it is, sadly.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

I’m going to write to Clarkson and ask him to sum up Nicola Sturgeon. Then again, he might think she’s brilliant

She must be.

Because Scotland is behind her.

Despite… various things.

 

[grober]

CLARKSON is displaying the signs of a "media personality" who has suddenly caught a glimpse of his career "sell by date"?