Clarkson, The End?

[Teego]

Me too. It was a joke in poor taste, nothing more.

I find that the best jokes are in poor taste. I have a great one but I'd be crucified if I posted here.

 

[AMGeed]

I find that the best jokes are in poor taste. I have a great one but I'd be crucified if I posted here.

Agreed. I have posted some poor taste jokes in the relevant section only to have them removed and my wrist smacked because someone was offended and complained.
Lesson learned. Don't post in the joke section ever again.

 

[Darrell]

Agreed. I have posted some poor taste jokes in the relevant section only to have them removed and my wrist smacked because someone was offended and complained.
Lesson learned. Don't post in the joke section ever again.

I don’t understand why somebody would complain and ask for it to be removed.

Surely it’d be better to leave it and ignore it. Just because that person found it offensive doesn’t necessarily mean others will.

It’s rather selfish tbh.

 

[HappytalkAgain]

I don’t understand why somebody would complain and ask for it to be removed.

Surely it’d be better to leave it and ignore it. Just because that person found it offensive doesn’t necessarily mean others will.

It’s rather selfish tbh.

I reported a post a few weeks back because of its extremely poor taste. It was removed. I’d fully expect you to have done the same if it hit a personal nerve right on the head. Some things just ain’t funny.

 

[Darrell]

I reported a post a few weeks back because of its extremely poor taste. It was removed. I’d fully expect you to have done the same if it hit a personal nerve right on the head. Some things just ain’t funny.

It’d have to be pretty personal like naming my wife or another member of my family and that ain’t gonna happen. If it’s simply a nasty joke in very poor taste then I’ll just ignore it because I’m not the joke police.


I speak for me not others.

 

[Teego]

Agreed. I have posted some poor taste jokes in the relevant section only to have them removed and my wrist smacked because someone was offended and complained.
Lesson learned. Don't post in the joke section ever again.

Exactly so. Find an obscure and rarely used section and post it there. Then if someone complains, it's not in the joke section so it's not a joke.
I like to be offended.

 

[rf065]

I reported a post a few weeks back because of its extremely poor taste. It was removed. I’d fully expect you to have done the same if it hit a personal nerve right on the head. Some things just ain’t funny.

Or you could have ignored it and moved on?

 

[Deleted member 126251]

I reported a post a few weeks back because of its extremely poor taste. It was removed. I’d fully expect you to have done the same if it hit a personal nerve right on the head. Some things just ain’t funny.

Perhaps not to you, but funny to 100s of others? Why can’t we “live and let live” instead of getting on our high horse everytime a person says something we do not like or find personal. I don’t believe that jokes are directed at any individual (unlike Clarkson’s comment).

 

[KillerHERTZ]

Don't post in the joke section ever again.

Is that not the online version of throwing your toys out of the pram though?

I don’t understand why somebody would complain and ask for it to be removed.

Surely it’d be better to leave it and ignore it. Just because that person found it offensive doesn’t necessarily mean others will.

It’s rather selfish tbh.

Not when you have 'jokes' displayed publically on the forum that include, from the past year alone: Racisim, Nazi imagery, Pedo jokes, 'c' word displayed in large letters to name a few.





Doesnt reflect well on the forum image when its desending into an old boys club and the forum logo proudly displayed along the top of the very same pages.

I dislike the 'Woke' movement as much as the next person and I try to keep it from being over censored, but we have to have limits, this isnt a private Whatsapp Group, its a public form!

 

[Darrell]

Not when you have 'jokes' displayed publically on the forum that include, from the past year alone: Racisim, Nazi imagery, Pedo jokes, 'c' word displayed in large letters to name a few.

As another member quoted ‘it’s all in the context’

 

[st13phil]

Back to Clarkson (and, actually, how the current opprobrium is more a reflection on a changed England than it is on Clarkson):

The strange death of Jeremy Clarkson's England

The raucous national culture which made him is fading

unherd.com

 

[Flyinspanner]

Ouch.


.."So I picked up a copy of The Sun to see what all the fuss was about.... I knew what had happened straight away.

I wonder if it was ‘I’ve been found out as a misogynistic anachronism, an arrogant fool, convinced that his own ridiculous values were shared by all?

He probably blames Meghan

Sadly he has become a stereotypical charecateur - hes an oaf, even his own daughter publicly castigated him.

 

[neilrr]

He's a controversialist being controversial. Nothing to see here.

 

[ALFAitalia]

He just thinks , says and writes exactly what a sizable chunk of the population would think, say and write if they were not so scared of the woke 1% and the disproportionate amount of political and media power they seem to be wielding. I'm not saying I agree with everything he says but I certainly support his right to have opinion no matter how politically incorrect it may seem to some. There are enough sensitive snowflakes out they to make a sizable drift these days!!

 

[Flyinspanner]

He can have an opinion.

He can state or publish that opinion.

He then can be held accountable for it, and face consequences for those words or actions.
(remember him punching some poor producer because he didn’t like the food offering at a restaurant - BBC had to fork out £100,000 to avoid a full investigation).

Intelligence is thinking through the consequences beforehand, if he is a ‘journalist’/ ‘presenter’ he should have a finger on the pulse of zeitgeist- of cultural trends and emerging norms.

I used to like him in the early days of Top Gear, I liked his incredulity at car design, challenging for better.

Car design has moved on, he hasn’t.

He’s become a shouty, rude, arrogant fool, self important, with little self awareness.

Dont really think he will be missed - there are much better petrolhead presenters delivering interesting episodes.

Hes as relevant as the Allegros/Marinas and other old bangers he puts through the same old ‘epic journeys’ ad nauseum.

 

[190]

Back to Clarkson (and, actually, how the current opprobrium is more a reflection on a changed England than it is on Clarkson):

The strange death of Jeremy Clarkson's England

The raucous national culture which made him is fading

unherd.com

An interesting article. I thought Clarkson went too far this time but I also agree with one of the comments at the end of the article.

I certainly didn’t want him to apologise. Surely everyone has learned that apologies to the woke only emboldens them.

I really think he was wasting his time apologising as they have just taken it as an admission of guilt. When someone is being cancelled these days, then no amount of reasoning will make the slightest difference. And you don't have to be a loud mouth like Clarkson, look what they have done to a reasonable person like JK Rowling. That's one of the saddest aspects of how society has changed away from the one that Clarkson enjoyed at his peak.

 

[Dryce]

I wonder if it was ‘I’ve been found out as a misogynistic anachronism, an arrogant fool, convinced that his own ridiculous values were shared by all?

He probably blames Meghan

Sadly he has become a stereotypical charecateur - hes an oaf, even his own daughter publicly castigated him.

I think there is a divide.

Those who categorise Mr Clarkson as .... well Mr Clarkson.

And those who build a federal case against his existence. The loudest and strongest advocates probably feeding off each other to indirectly characterise him rather than rather than based on actually reading what Mr Clarkson actually writes or says.

Now he has benefitted from the latter faction because it gives him additonal oxygen of publicity over many years.

The problem is that while I thought what he wrote about Ms Markle was unpleasant I don't think it merited sacking or - in effect 'cancellation'. (As compared with the more serious misbheaviour that led to his exit from Top Gear).

We live in a country where there is an ongoing attrition on the values of the majority. Brexit served as a warning on this. It seems to be unheeded.

 

[Darrell]

I’m fed up with people apologising these days. It’s all we ever seem to hear whether it’s from politicians, media or sports personalities and the police.

Here’s an idea…. Stop f*****g up in the first place.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

Ultimately the businesses which pay his wages need to retain and grow their customer base and their willingness to spend their money. If they think Jeremy Clarkson - or anyone else - can help to achieve that then they’re hired. If they put that at risk then they’re fired.

Unfortunately he hasn’t evolved with the times, even though there is still a large number of people with a similar mindset. Whether this happened or not, I suspect that his time at Amazon might not have been long lived. I think this have Amazon a reason to not renew, and do it in a way which is seen to be positive.

Would you want him to be the very public front man in the business you own, work for, or depend upon for your pension income? Personally I wouldn’t, but I don’t think that means that he doesn’t have a place somewhere. Perhaps the time come to go Internet only and control his own destiny. If I remember right he dabbled before but arguably did it too soon.

 

[Dryce]

Would you want him to be the very public front man in the business you own, work for, or depend upon for your pension income? Personally I wouldn’t, but I don’t think that means that he doesn’t have a place somewhere. Perhaps the time come to go Internet only and control his own destiny. If I remember right he dabbled before but arguably did it too soon.

The issue is about words.

Mr Clarkson has several lines of business. One of which is writing newpaper columns and expressing opinions. It appears that by overstepping the mark in one line of business there has been an impact on his other lines.

My underlying problem is that issue of consequence of expressing opinion.

It's not about money and pension income. Large media organisatons are subverted by protecting their own images in the same oppressive climate. If I was an Amazon shareholder I might be more concerned about Amazon's decision making and spending on Rings of Power than Mr Clarkson's newspaper column.