Cyclists on A roads

[Spinal]

I'm having real trouble understanding your approach.

You don't need a licence to ride a bike, it is a legal right and can be done by anyone of any age.

Why should any transgression while riding a bike affect ones driving licence, if that was to happen where should we stop, horse riders, boat captains, pedestrians, dog walkers. Maybe pushing your shopping trolley round Tesco too fast would get you 3 points on your car licence.

NUTS..!!

Riding a bike is nothing to do with driving a car and it shouldn't be connected to that licence.
What if you don't have a car licence at all?

Thank goodness the lawmakers of this country have a bit more of a realistic view of how things should work, otherwise no-one would be allowed to use the road if they didn't drive a Mercedes...

Was afk for the weekend, so just picking up now!

Wanted to say, while I'm not sure about awarding points to cyclists... drivers are routinely penalised for "other" vehicles...

e.g. If I speed in my motorbike, the points affect my car license. Or if I lose my license while driving a class H vehicle, I can't drive my car anymore...

So why should cyclists, who endanger everyone's lives just like someone on a motorbike does, be an exception? I feel it's just something that the law hasn't accounted for yet...
M.

 

[Dieselman]

So why should cyclists, who endanger everyone's lives just like someone on a motorbike does, be an exception?

Chiefly because they don't need a licence, whereas for each of the vehicles you have mentioned you are only allowed to drive "under licence" in accordance with the terms laid down.
Breach the terms of the licence and you get point awarded or the licence revoked.

How simple can it be...you are under various T&C as you are only granted use to use the roads under licence...

A cyclist is extremely unlikely to kill or seriously injure anyone, whereas motorised vehicles routinely do.

 

[StevenN]

So some have criticised bad drivers but two wrongs don't make a right!
On my way home tonight I followed a car as it turned into a supermarket car park. A schoolboy on a bike cycled straight across the road right in front of the car without looking. A bad thing you might say. The driver of the car sounded his horn at the cyclist! Again some might say that was called for. But the point is I was behind the car and not even turning into the store car park. I saw the kid on the bike and could see what was going happen. My opinion was the driver was supprised by the cyclist and then deliberately made an issue of the incident rather than just stopping and giving way.
Drivers do not drive looking far enough ahead to avoid potential dangers!

 

[Deleted member 37751]

Chiefly because they don't need a licence, whereas for each of the vehicles you have mentioned you are only allowed to drive "under licence" in accordance with the terms laid down.
Breach the terms of the licence and you get point awarded or the licence revoked.

How simple can it be...you are under various T&C as you are only granted use to use the roads under licence...

A cyclist is extremely unlikely to kill or seriously injure anyone, whereas motorised vehicles routinely do.

Am I the only one listening DM??
How hard is that ^ to understand?

IF A CYCLIST AND A CAR ARE IN A COLLISION, THE CYCLIST WILL LOSE.

 

[Frankie]

As posted by StevenN,this is exactly the problem with the original post. Car drivers need to be more aware.

 

[renault12ts]

So some have criticised bad drivers but two wrongs don't make a right!
On my way home tonight I followed a car as it turned into a supermarket car park. A schoolboy on a bike cycled straight across the road right in front of the car without looking. A bad thing you might say. The driver of the car sounded his horn at the cyclist! Again some might say that was called for. But the point is I was behind the car and not even turning into the store car park. I saw the kid on the bike and could see what was going happen. My opinion was the driver was supprised by the cyclist and then deliberately made an issue of the incident rather than just stopping and giving way.
Drivers do not drive looking far enough ahead to avoid potential dangers!

On the other hand you could argue that by stopping and not making an issue , how on earth was the young cyclist going to learn that he'd been a prat.

 

[Frankie]

I think the answer to this one is down to parents these days, but that's another matter. You have to be so careful in residential areas, although they shouldn't, kids will just run out without looking.

 

[Spinal]

A cyclist is extremely unlikely to kill or seriously injure anyone, whereas motorised vehicles routinely do.

Maybe I'm biased as I was quite seriously injured by a bike a few years ago... I ended up in A&E with a handlebar sticking out of my leg, and have a scar that's about 6"x4" on my leg from it... not to mention that I was a witness in several "hit and run" type accidents between cyclists and cars... in all cases, the cyclists were clearly in the wrong (falling sideways onto the car, smacking mirrors off, etc) and this has warped my view of cyclists on roads.

I love cycling... but on a deserted track, or in a field, or somewhere where there are no cars.

but again... that's me

m.

 

[Dieselman]

I love cycling... but on a deserted track, or in a field, or somewhere where there are no cars.

So how would you get from one place to another. When I'm on my bike (hopefully another week or two), I use it instead of the car to go to places.

Your injury doesn't sound particularly bad on the scale of what a car or motorcycle can do.

 

[m2287]

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[snoop51]

As posted by StevenN,this is exactly the problem with the original post. Car drivers need to be more aware.

Agree but think you should be putting ALL ROAD USERS rather than pin pointing car drivers.

 

[Spinal]

So how would you get from one place to another. When I'm on my bike (hopefully another week or two), I use it instead of the car to go to places.

Your injury doesn't sound particularly bad on the scale of what a car or motorcycle can do.

A lorry hit me and I had no stitches and no permanent scars/injury...

A car (drunk driver) hit me while parking my motorbike, he was doing 70mph-ish by his own admission... and I ended up with a broken pinky...

A bike hits me an I end up with a scar that will never go away andmore stitches than I care to remember...

Oh the scale of things, a bike can do plenty damage! Thank god I was in a country that had free medical service as provided by the government... would dread to think what I would have had to pay otherwise!

In retrospect, if it had happened in the UK, that cyclist would have been quite out of pocket...

M.

 

[verytalldave]

Healthcare in the UK is not free and its not provided by the government.
NOTHING-ZERO-ZILTCH is provided by the government.
Everything is provided by the taxpayers.
IE, you and me and everyone else in employment.



Rant over

 

[Scott_F]

Healthcare in the UK is not free and its not provided by the government.
NOTHING-ZERO-ZILTCH is provided by the government.
Everything is provided by the taxpayers.
IE, you and me and everyone else in employment.



Rant over

So who takes £100 billion a year of public money and spends it on the NHS ? The Government provide this service although the money could easily have been spent elsewhere.

As a result of their actions, we have a health service free at the point of use for 60 million UK residents.

 

[verytalldave]

And what exactly is "public money"?
My point is - its paid for from the government coffers. Which is filled from where?
It may be "free at point of use", but my god, we all pay dearly for that conveniece.

 

[Scott_F]

And what exactly is "public money"?
My point is - its paid for from the government coffers. Which is filled from where?
It may be "free at point of use", but my god, we all pay dearly for that conveniece.

And if we didn't pay taxes to the Government ? As well as no health service we'd have no roads, railways, schools, colleges, army, navy, airforce, rubbish collection etc. etc.

It's part of the concept of collective citizenship and a common, greater good.

 

[verytalldave]

Correct.
Dont disagree with any of that.

 

[snoop51]

And if we didn't pay taxes to the Government ? As well as no health service we'd have no roads, railways, schools, colleges, army, navy, airforce, rubbish collection etc. etc.

It's part of the concept of collective citizenship and a common, greater good.

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[Scott_F]

Correct.
Dont disagree with any of that.

In that case I don't really understand your earlier "rant".

 

[Spinal]

Especially as I wasn't referring to the UK, but another european country where the hospitals don't make you wait 8 hours in A&E while telling you to try not to bleed on the carpet as it's a biohazard...