Date change forEV/HYBRID introduction

[whitenemesis]

I see a future when we will have many more cars stranded at the roadside having run out of electricity. How are they going to be dealt with, the friendly AA/RAC man with a can of fuel isn't going to work, or are they going to park up alongside and run a generator for 30 minutes or whatever.

I believe the AA and RAC already have a very small number of EV recovery vehicles that carry booster batteries to get EVs off the motorway

 

[ChipChop]

I see a future when we will have many more cars stranded at the roadside having run out of electricity. How are they going to be dealt with, the friendly AA/RAC man with a can of fuel isn't going to work, or are they going to park up alongside and run a generator for 30 minutes or whatever.

I think the grand plan is to restrict the use of resources such as electricity through environmental lockdowns. Co2 levels (or whatever metric is deemed important) high on a certain day in London? Lockdown London.

Remember fighting climate change is more important than humans being able to live freely or earn a living.

 

[190]

The aspect that the government have lost control of is the trend to huge SUVs that weigh up 2.5 Tonnes with 300HP plus at their disposal. A 2.5 tonne vehicle transporting only the driver is a common sight where I live and that's not environmentally friendly whatever the power source is. This trend is cancelling out all the manufacturers good work on improving MPG and reducing emissions.

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Let’s be honest - how many of us grunters here will outlive our current ICE vehicles?

I’m sure I will get bored of mine long before it wears out...and fuel stations and old school mechanics aren’t being outlawed any time soon..

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Remember fighting climate change is more important than humans being able to live freely or earn a living.

First sensible post in a while...

At best, climate change means new jobs and opportunities

At worst, no planet = no life.

 

[Benzowner]

I think the plan is to tax all ICE cars off the roads in the next 10 years. Throwing away perfectly functional ICE vehicles so we are forced to consume a new "green" EV.

Maybe, but I don't think so. My daughter lives in Holland and drives a 1.6 petrol BMW and pays in the region of 60 euros per month road tax, diesels are even more expensive. There are still plenty of cars on the road over there, so even at those rates, motorists will still use ICE cars, because it's much much cheaper than buying a new electric car.

 

[ChipChop]

Maybe, but I don't think so. My daughter lives in Holland and drives a 1.6 petrol BMW and pays in the region of 60 euros per month road tax, diesels are even more expensive. There are still plenty of cars on the road over there, so even at those rates, motorists will still use ICE cars, because it's much much cheaper than buying a new electric car.

Hopefully you are right. Depends on how far they are willing to go with ULEZ style daily taxes on ICE cars. All because of the man made Climate Change lie.

Climate change hoax collapses as Michael Mann’s bogus “hockey stick” graph defamation lawsuit dismissed by the Supreme Court of British Columbia

For the past two decades, much of the hysteria about global warming — later re-labeled “climate change” — has been based on the so-called “hockey stick” graph produced by Michael Mann. The graph, shown below, has been used by the IPCC, the media and governments to push global warming hysteria to...

climate.news

 

[Deleted member 149005]

. All because of the man made Climate Change lie.

Care to support that with any independent verifiable facts?

Or is that more personal opinion expressed as fact?

 

[Fununcle]

Hopefully you are right. Depends on how far they are willing to go with ULEZ style daily taxes on ICE cars. All because of the man made Climate Change lie.

Climate change hoax collapses as Michael Mann’s bogus “hockey stick” graph defamation lawsuit dismissed by the Supreme Court of British Columbia

For the past two decades, much of the hysteria about global warming — later re-labeled “climate change” — has been based on the so-called “hockey stick” graph produced by Michael Mann. The graph, shown below, has been used by the IPCC, the media and governments to push global warming hysteria to...

climate.news

But that is a hilarious lie.

 

[ChipChop]

But that is a hilarious lie.

Michael Mann refused to turn over “R2 regression numbers” to the court. This unwillingness to disclose the graph algorithm and data points reveals the total lack of transparency and scientific integrity that has plagued Mann’s supposed “science” work for decades.

Rather like Neil Fergusson and his Covid-19 computer modelling. Garbage in garbage out.

 

[Deleted member 149005]

But that is a hilarious lie.

Reading those graphs is rather meaningless given the very different scales and timelines on each axis...

I would be interested to know why an algorithm is required to plot past, historical, data?

And what alternatives are there to “man made” algorithms?

 

[davymead]

The point I was making was simply how feasible is it to expect people ‘ worldwide ‘ to rid themselves of their 1,500,000,000 vehicles and swap them for something allegedly more ’green’.
I wasn’t thinking particularly of the UK, more of say India.

 

[Datadogie]

I'll be dead before I can afford a electric car. And I hope I have a good few years ahead of me. What will the less well off be driving in twenty years time?

 

[Deleted member 149005]

The point I was making was simply how feasible is it to expect people ‘ worldwide ‘ to rid themselves of their 1,500,000,000 vehicles and swap them for something allegedly more ’green’.
I wasn’t thinking particularly of the UK, more of say India.

getting rid of several billions of cars isn’t on the agenda.

Most of those old snotters will carry on and when they do die, they will be replaced by EVs that are several decades old and running on recycled Duracells..

 

[Steeve]

There is most definitely localised air quality reasons to shift to EV. Anything else is just spin, as pointed out many times : that electricity needs to come from somewhere.

Central London, Manhattan, New Delhi <- there can be no doubt that EV usage would improve the pathetic air "quality" in big cities. But does it save the planet overall? No imho

 

[Deleted member 149005]

that electricity needs to come from somewhere.

like the middle of the sea, well away from habited areas?

 

[Istbclass]

Interesting thread, article in today’s Daily Mail said the treasury are looking at road pricing, logically it’s the only way they can go, that cannot afford to give up the 40 billion pound they currently get from ICE cars. They cannot tax the electric as they don’t know what’s it’s being used for, while they are currently subsidising electric cars that will soon stop.
no one seems to be talking about the elephant in the room in how we are going to pay for the infa structure to charge them, and supply the extra electric we will need. when they ban gas boilers and we all go electric by my reckoning I will need a three phase supply to get the amount of current neede to heat the home, heat the hot water and Charge my car at the same time, multiply that by everyone else and we have problem, last estimate I saw was in the region of 300 billion.
interesting time ahead.

 

[Steeve]

like the middle of the sea, well away from habited areas?

Could be, hence my comment that the main benefactors of the shift to EV are inner city dwellers/workers

 

[glojo]

Those folk who have terrace houses with no off-road parking, will they have to have electric leads going from their property, across the footpath to charge their cars??

 

[Deleted member 149005]

Those folk who have terrace houses with no off-road parking, will they have to have electric leads going from their property, across the footpath to charge their cars??

Those folk who have terrace houses with no off-road parking, will they have to have electric leads going from their property, across the footpath to charge their cars??

how many residences have their own fuel refilling tation?

The need for total coverage for EV charge points is still 30+ years away.

ICE cars aren’t disappearing overnight..