Driving Standards getting worse by the day

[Deleted member 6183]

Maybe your assumption of what desired was incorrect.
Various things went on behind the bike sheds.

I think I'd rather take a kicking.

 

[saff]

Maybe your assumption of what desired was incorrect.
Various things went on behind the bike sheds.

I used to smoke, can't imagine what you got up to!

 

[Deleted member 6183]

I used to smoke, can't imagine what you got up to!

Bumming.

 

[219]

OK up here in Ayrshire we don’t really know what a traffic jam is so today with the missus and two grand daughters in the car we were south bound on the A77 with traffic moving freely.

Approaching my first round-a-bout (Whittlets ) I’m in lane two as normal. The Jaguar XF Estate who had traveled happily behind me for the last mile suddenly moved into lane one, undertook me and one other car then moved back to lane two right on the round-a-bout.

OK he was a bit cheeky but then immediately after the round-a-bout the two lanes merge into one so he forced himself past another six cars. Now he’s got my attention. He continued for the next mile or so harassing the traffic in front continually braking then at the next round-a bout where the lanes open up to two he again carried out another undertake immediately before with a third as he exited the roundabout.

The crazy idiot then disappeared, but !

Maybe it was testosterone but another Jaguar, this time a white convertible carried out three very dubious overtakes ( behind me) on the next short stretch and pulled in behind me on lane one at the next round-a-bout. Not happy to sit and wait for one car coming from my right he overtook me, shot through in front of the poor guy, only to return back in front of me. He then overtook traffic on the cross hatch approaching the next junction.

I have dash cam and occasionally save some footage But only for my PC but with today’s events I’m tempted to put them on You Tube ( if I only knew how to LOL )

Why can’t drivers simply take some pride in their driving these days.

Makes one wonder ...

Is Jaguar the new BMW air Audi ?

 

[E55BOF]

..my pet hate is motorcyclists riding in my lane and forcing me to avoid them. though this is a very mild case in the following video, it still grates me to no end that I have to be the one to take evasive measures to appease the over inflated egos of very very fragile road users...grrrrrrrr

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I'm not sure I agree with you. All I see is a very long queue of almost-stationary traffic. Everyone in it would like to get through to the head of the queue and be away as soon as possible. The difference is that cars can't and motorcycles can; is that what grips your sh!t?

 

[m80]

I'm not sure I agree with you. All I see is a very long queue of almost-stationary traffic. Everyone in it would like to get through to the head of the queue and be away as soon as possible. The difference is that cars can't and motorcycles can; is that what grips your sh!t?

As long as they're not dangerous in their attempt I only see advantage. They get to the front, soon they're gone, rarely to be seen again by those still waiting, and they have reduced the backlog.

But I have seen some idiotic antics from bikers, almost as though they're beyond the law of the road, as we all know suicyclists are.

 

[190]

If I was on my bike there is no way in the world I would wait in a queue that long. I'd ride up to the front as they did, riding reasonably slowly and pulling into gaps where I could. Key to safety is keeping the speed differential down.

If I was in the car from which the video was taken, I'd deliberately pull over to the left a little to give them more room. Not evasive action just common courtesy.

 

[Bellow]

I'm not sure I agree with you. All I see is a very long queue of almost-stationary traffic. Everyone in it would like to get through to the head of the queue and be away as soon as possible. The difference is that cars can't and motorcycles can; is that what grips your sh!t?

There are some car drivers who would prefer to see all motorcycle 'filtering' stopped so that when it's throwing down raining, they can laugh at the motorcyclists from the comfort and warmth of their box.

However, motorcyclists know the fluidity of their methods keeps their journey rolling along, their mind on the riding, without the need for a box full of toys at every stop.

 

[Dryce]

I'm not sure I agree with you. All I see is a very long queue of almost-stationary traffic. Everyone in it would like to get through to the head of the queue and be away as soon as possible. The difference is that cars can't and motorcycles can; is that what grips your sh!t?

So the M/Cs have an practical opportunity to filter.

But the real issue in this video is that. In doing so they shouldn't impede oncoming traffic by crossing the dashed line. Apart from any danger caused it is discourteous. They should wait for a gap in oncoming traffic.

 

[Dryce]

There are some car drivers who would prefer to see all motorcycle 'filtering' stopped so that when it's throwing down raining, they can laugh at the motorcyclists from the comfort and warmth of their box.

However, motorcyclists know the fluidity of their methods keeps their journey rolling along, their mind on the riding, without the need for a box full of toys at every stop.

I'm more tha happy to try and make room for a biker. But in order to do that I need to be aware of them and be in a practical position to offer the courtesy.

My view is that a substantial % of filtering that I see is done with expectation that other vehicles will behave exactly as anticipated by the rider. It is not done safely.

 

[Bellow]

So the M/Cs have an practical opportunity to filter.

But the real issue in this video is that. In doing so they shouldn't impede oncoming traffic by crossing the dashed line. Apart from any danger caused it is discourteous. They should wait for a gap in oncoming traffic.

Fair point - in that clip, they could have been a bit more considerate.

 

[219]

Fair point - in that clip, they could have been a bit more considerate.

It would also have been helpful if the queuing drivers had left better gaps between themselves and the cars in front ( few will have heard the expression 'tyres and tarmac' , and will get into a situation when the car in front breaks down and they are too close to manoeuvre ) , with reasonable gaps between queuing cars the bikes can safely pass during the gaps between oncoming cars , and have a place to go back on their own side when there is an opposing vehicle .

 

[Bellow]

It would also have been helpful if the queuing drivers had left better gaps between themselves and the cars in front ( few will have heard the expression 'tyres and tarmac' , and will get into a situation when the car in front breaks down and they are too close to manoeuvre ) , with reasonable gaps between queuing cars the bikes can safely pass during the gaps between oncoming cars , and have a place to go back on their own side when there is an opposing vehicle .

At any speeds (not just queuing) the gaps left are rarely adequate. Not only does it eat into their stopping distances, but as you allude, makes life difficult for those with an intention to overtake.
The best is still to come though - when they brake as you slot in behind them (their instinctive reaction to something they've just picked up in their mirrors - the first use of the mirror that day).

edit PS.
Mirrors don't wear out through use.

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Mirrors don't wear out through use.

I'm stealing that.

 

[MrRight]

I'm not sure I agree with you. All I see is a very long queue of almost-stationary traffic. Everyone in it would like to get through to the head of the queue and be away as soon as possible. The difference is that cars can't and motorcycles can; is that what grips your sh!t?

well if you are in a car and have to regularly slow down and constantly avoid motorcycles riding in your lane then you have the kindness of heart of the mother teresa. I dont see why I should slow down and have to avoid oncoming road users in my lane who should only be there if SAFE TO DO SO which in many instances isnt the case. Understand now?

 

[Deleted member 6183]

well if you are in a car and have to regularly slow down and constantly avoid motorcycles riding in your lane then you have the kindness of heart of the mother teresa. I dont see why I should slow down and have to avoid oncoming road users in my lane who should only be there if SAFE TO DO SO which in many instances isnt the case. Understand now?

Do you have an issue with slowing down?

It's a more serious question than it might first appear.

I sometimes find myself frustrated at slowing down because the car in front needs to come to a standstill to turn left, the guy in front is elderly or the car in front has just seen the sea for the first time ever and cas come to a virtual standstill.

I have had to have a word with myself and realise that slowing down isn't the worst thing that can happen on any given day. Trying to get a plumber to fit a new bathroom is way more painful than slowing down.

 

[E55BOF]

well if you are in a car and have to regularly slow down and constantly avoid motorcycles riding in your lane then you have the kindness of heart of the mother teresa. I dont see why I should slow down and have to avoid oncoming road users in my lane who should only be there if SAFE TO DO SO which in many instances isnt the case. Understand now?

Oh, I understand what you mean, all right; I just don't see why you're quite so hot under the collar about what we saw in that particular video. Perhaps either it's not a particularly bad example, or else you have easily-gripped shit?

Calm Down Dear...

 

[MrRight]

Do you have an issue with slowing down?

It's a more serious question than it might first appear.

I sometimes find myself frustrated at slowing down because the car in front needs to come to a standstill to turn left, the guy in front is elderly or the car in front has just seen the sea for the first time ever and cas come to a virtual standstill.

I have had to have a word with myself and realise that slowing down isn't the worst thing that can happen on any given day. Trying to get a plumber to fit a new bathroom is way more painful than slowing down.

I have an issue where oncoming road users think it is acceptable to make progress by forcing me to take evasive action or measures that I ought not to have to do when they should instead remain in their lanes and only proceed to enter into an oncoming traffic lane if it is safe to do so. I may choose to give someone way but if it is my right of way then the default position is it is at my discretion to do so. I would never not slow down and avoid a collision. I dont hoot or flash in frustration either, but it doesnt mean I have to like it.

I get angry with myself if I dont give users space or dont notice cars ar a junction that I can let through until it is too late etc. Courtesy and respect are values I hold dear but it should be my choice to be courteous.

 

[MrRight]

Oh, I understand what you mean, all right; I just don't see why you're quite so hot under the collar about what we saw in that particular video. Perhaps either it's not a particularly bad example, or else you have easily-gripped shit?

Calm Down Dear...

who is this "we"you refer to. be a man and speak for yourself

 

[m80]

The first 2 m'cyclists were over the line on a bend and caused surprise.
The 3rd was over the line but only when he could see there was room allowed, the driver didn't have to make more allowance.
From that it might be taken that the road was wide enough for all in both situations, but the driver was right to be where he was, with his right of way, and a larger vehicle could well have creamed the fist 2, 2 wheelers.

But there's too many of us clogging up our little roads and not enough hours in the day to be waiting, again, and again.

I've not ridden my 1200cc BMW for a few years now, mainly 'cos I always need carry tools or sailing kit. But beyond the sheep, tracktors, old fuddies I could give a heart attack to by passing'em, camera's, camera vans and far too much traffic on the nice to use roads, bikers who come out on the few nice days are as dangerous to me as any of that lot.
2 of 'em hit each other head on up on the Cat & Fiddel road year before last. It's easy to imagine them both down to the pegs on that particular blind bend, one taking the bend tight the other drifting off line due to his misjudging, kissy, kissy.