Mmmm, not really.You mean fortunately right
You mean fortunately right
True. But it's a very different driving experience with AWD. And there will be fewer and fewer high power RWD cars (for good reason many will say), so it's a driving experience that is becoming rarer. besides, the E63 does remarkably well at putting down that power through just two wheels. In the dry. With a diff.
in lincoln. i am usually the only person from here in any forum i join...bar one in the moto guzzi owners club! so when did the 212 stop and the 213 start? i dont mind a car that needs driving to some extent but also got to factor in my wife driving who is less knowledgeable with regards to the handling habits of rwd cars, although our 204 diesel never troubled her...but then that didn't have 550+ bhp.
Are you also in Lincs? Whereabouts? I don't think I've seen another here!
No, in the UK market the 212 E63 was only RWD. other countries got 4WD.
It's a very different driving experience and I much prefer it. I had the sports diff on the S4 which got rid of all understeer and allowed a little tail slide on hard acceleration. The quattro is amazing for all weather acceleration and security. The E63 is a more engaging drive, more characterful, and you need to drive it more, and be careful in the wet! Great fun and brutal compared to the S4. Both S4 and E63 were mildly modified though, so may not be comparing like for like.
I'm South Lincs, but if you fancy a drive down to see/experience my E63 let me know!
i think it has loads more character than an RS6, is more discrete which I like, and way better value for money. Can't comment on the C63 really.
. That 5.5 hits you with an absolute mountain of torque , it is a beast 
The W212 E63 may be a big car, but it certainly doesn’t feel big when you’re driving it and I always thought it has an incredible ability to sort of “shrink” when you're pressing on.
That's right, it's only when I try and park it or take it out of a squashed car park that I'm reminded that it isn't a kia picanto
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might just take you up on that Rich nearer the time. thank you sirI'm South Lincs, but if you fancy a drive down to see/experience my E63 let me know!
I think the 213 started in 2017...?
I was also debating an RS6, mainly for the all weather performance and safety. I'm very glad I got the E63 though. As long as you're not silly with the loud pedal in the wet, it is very easy to drive. But it can be a beast as well, just don't take the traction off in the wet unless you're skilled/ careful
. i love how the RS cars look but less enthralled by the way they go about things. i dont want some drift monster that requires superhuman skills to manage...something that can be a bit of fun along with doing all the daily stuff without spitting you into the scenery...i am looking at you bmw m4 non-comp!...is what i am after.I recently said goodbye to my s205 c63s after 3 years. Simply an incredible machine in every way. All the tech worked flawlessly (apart from the parking assist which I couldn't get to work a single time in 3 years but the 360 cam rendered it redundant). I did many sessions in my mate's rs4 from 2018 and the rs4 is super quick but the c63s is super comical in how it slides around and constantly entertains. Completely different driving experience. The audi can thrill you with gravity defying speed. The AMG is a car you do have to respect a lot or it nips back. But after driving it for a while you do get it to fit like a glove. It sounds immense with the pops and bangs in sport plus, is very fast and thrilling to drive when you push it, and every driver is a sense of theatre. The coupe is the fasted variant probably but the wagon is the most tail happy.
With the C gone, a couple of months later I picked up a w212 e63 s saloon. The e63 feels a bit more grown up, more stable (might be the weight and wheel base and tyre size ?) , the 2018 c transmission was super fast, the e is not quite as quick but good enough. The exhaust on the c was louder (performance exhaust) and can he heard a long way away and is just full of the best drama possible and downshifts are joyous, the 204 and 212 can't compete, on hard pulls, it gives whip crack on upshifts , but the basic revving sound doesn't match the m156 . The tech on the c just works slightly better all round probably as it is a newer platform. The C cabin looks better but the E cabin is probably higher quality and is more roomy. Oddly while driving it, it is the E that feels smaller somehow, the c has these great bonnet humps which help with lane keeping though but something about the E just makes it easier to drive that i can't adequately describe. Oh the parking footbrake on the E is a bit shit, it gets a bit tight and needs the tip of my shoe to pull it up sometimes. The c has an electronic brake which is miles better in that respect and automatically activates when u park the car and turn it off. The engines, well the 4.0 is higher revving but the 5.5 doesn't need high revs
The E gets a lot more attention than my C did except the noise levels of the exhaust. I get people compliment the E sometimes randomly as I'm driving by (weird because it looks like a taxi to me ) , the C is very understated and I wish it was more in your face. If I kept my C I would have installed an aftermarket wing and front fender bits to jazz it up . The E looks a bit more masculine from the rear and the c estate is a bit roundy but still okay I suppose. Neither are a patch on the way the rs6 looks but I would never buy an RS6 released so far when the E class exists. The E nails it where it matters.
The only way to work out which is better for you is to test drive both. If you live down south I'll happily take you for a spin in the E and you can see what that car is about.
Would I buy an Ew212 s or a C63s , damn its a tough choice and space and a bit more comfort with the rear air suspension currently gives the edge to the E but if i wanted more entertainment from every drive then I don't know , the C is a little bit naughtier it has to be said, but the engine on the E is an absolute sledgehammer. I can't pick a winner and I'd be happy with both...
By the way , there are currently 2 x s212 s AMG wagons on the market with less than 20k miles... that's quite rare...
I second this. I recently got 2 days worth of professional driving tuition on both track and road, and can wholeheartedly say that I never knew just how capable these cars are, but more importantly, just how much provocation you have to provide before things get out of hand. Even in the wet, the systems give you enough warning to avoid a mishap - of course if you ignore the warnings then you'll get bitten, but then that's your lookout as the driver and not the car being unpredictable.
Was this in 205 C63? Are there three stages of TC, fully on, partly on, fully off?
Sure, just drop me a message if you fancy seeing it and I can take you out on a spin.might just take you up on that Rich nearer the time. thank you sir
Yes, single press of the traction control brings “sport handling” mode. It’s like the BMW M-track I have on my old E46 plodder. It’s nice for a wet trackday, gives a bit of slip, but will save you from a big spin. Still enough rope to hang yourself if you are an idiot though, so beware.
And you can also turn fully off, right?
Yes
I was in a similar boat - I a 3.0l A4 Avant and it just wasn't big enough for a family of four and a dog. The E63S I bought is substantially bigger (particularly the boot, which is cavernous). It doesn't feel too much bigger on the road though.
