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EQC Range problem or is it me......

Such a shame i read all these comments and others on such a lovely car, but seems to be such a let down with the battery and i don't think my nerves would take the panic of running out of power.
I wish you well with them and keep reading with interest, but just reading all these comments its not for me for a few years yet.
Keep us updated please.
 
I had read that if you are charging the battery overnight then you should charge it up to 80%. Then just before you want to use the car top up the remaining 20%. This will mean that the battery is warm and so will have the greatest of range. Cold weather and batteries don’t mix very well.
I found a range calculator on the Tesla site and it allowed you to predict range based on outside temperatures and cold weather drops the range.
 
I had read that if you are charging the battery overnight then you should charge it up to 80%. Then just before you want to use the car top up the remaining 20%. This will mean that the battery is warm and so will have the greatest of range. Cold weather and batteries don’t mix very well.
I found a range calculator on the Tesla site and it allowed you to predict range based on outside temperatures and cold weather drops the range.
iPhones use AI to work out when they are on-charge for extended periods (eg overnight), and then optimise the charging programme according to when it thinks you’ll need it to be fully charged (eg just before you’re likely to get up).

It then uses it’s understanding of the way you use the phone to charge up to 80% when connected to the charger, and works out when it needs to start charging in order to get you up to 100% for when you need it, all in the interests of minimise the chemical aging of the lithium ion battery.
 
Hi folks, just to update on this.

I put the car to MB in Aberdeen who had it for a couple of days. They had 2 others in at the same time for similar reasons.

All 3 cars got a full suite of software updates (12 in total for the other two earlier cars and 9 of the 12 for mine).
The two earlier cars had some sort of recall also which mine did not need.

Since then the car has charged to a tiny degree more. Previously i was getting 160ish and now i've seen 185! So progress there but still a way off where it should be. And I know this as one of the other cars in for an update under exactly the same conditions charged to 227 miles at the dealership.

So the car is going back for a full week of testing and resetting on the 7th March to hopefully bottom out the issue.
 
Hi folks, just to update on this.

I put the car to MB in Aberdeen who had it for a couple of days. They had 2 others in at the same time for similar reasons.

All 3 cars got a full suite of software updates (12 in total for the other two earlier cars and 9 of the 12 for mine).
The two earlier cars had some sort of recall also which mine did not need.

Since then the car has charged to a tiny degree more. Previously i was getting 160ish and now i've seen 185! So progress there but still a way off where it should be. And I know this as one of the other cars in for an update under exactly the same conditions charged to 227 miles at the dealership.

So the car is going back for a full week of testing and resetting on the 7th March to hopefully bottom out the issue.
Ok, My Turn!

I've had my car EQC since March last year so nearly a year.

Do I like it, Yes, does it have issues Yes!

I always charge it most nights to 100% I have cheap 5p per kw electricity form Octopus overnight.

Since I got the car, it was being charged to 100% and all through the summer I could get 240 miles range or there abouts.

Once the weather turned colder it dropped to around 200 miles, still acceptable and for what I use it for its fine.

However a couple of weeks ago I had it in for a re call..........

Now the best I can get out of it is about 178/179 miles on a 100% charge.

WTF!!!!!!
 
Sorry to hear that.

When you say you're getting 178/179 is that the indicated total range or are you still seeing a number greater than that and then only getting the 178/179?

The most my car has ever shown is 185 and that's yet to actually be delivered to me in useable range as i've likely only had 155/160 ever. I'm off to Edinburgh tomorrow for the rugby at the weekend so will leave Aberdeen with 100% charge. That will hopefully be 185 again (or more 🤞) and my destination is about 130 miles away. 2 weeks ago making the same trip (pre-software update) I was being told to charge in Dundee by the car. I'll see what it says this week.
 
With the current cost of electricity my neighbour recons that at the moment its cheaper to run his diesel golf than his EQC....pence per mile wise.....not a great EQC selling point....unless you are buying it for the, more than slightly dubious, environmental reasons.....mind you that might all change with Putin potentially sending fuel prices sky high!!!
 
Russia only supplies 11% of the world's oil so its just another excuse to put prices up
 
Sorry to hear that.

When you say you're getting 178/179 is that the indicated total range or are you still seeing a number greater than that and then only getting the 178/179?

The most my car has ever shown is 185 and that's yet to actually be delivered to me in useable range as i've likely only had 155/160 ever. I'm off to Edinburgh tomorrow for the rugby at the weekend so will leave Aberdeen with 100% charge. That will hopefully be 185 again (or more 🤞) and my destination is about 130 miles away. 2 weeks ago making the same trip (pre-software update) I was being told to charge in Dundee by the car. I'll see what it says this week.
This is the indicated range, to be fair i don't go far only running around locally so it really never runs out of charge as such. If I do go on longer journeys where I might get angst on range I'll use the SL400
 
With the current cost of electricity my neighbour recons that at the moment its cheaper to run his diesel golf than his EQC....pence per mile wise.....not a great EQC selling point....unless you are buying it for the, more than slightly dubious, environmental reasons.....mind you that might all change with Putin potentially sending fuel prices sky high!!!
Dunno how he works that out! I charge at 5p per KW he must be working it out from 30p per kw chargers on the motorways.
 
I'm surprised/not surprised reading these comments about e-range. Not surprised because the marketing over-estimates of range are clearly based on optimum conditions (in exactly the same way mpg is for ICE cars) and never likely to be achieved by any but the most sedate of drivers. Surprised because people still believe they'll get the advertised range!!
It's really not that different from ICE cars is it: dependent on driving style, speed, tyres, weather, etc.? Just for some reason people seem to believe the marketing hype more for electric cars.
Perhaps I'm wrong, just my thoughts.
 
Sorry boys, you need to do your homework on this.

People like Robert Llewellyn have been explaining this stuff in great detail for more than a decade now.
Exclusive interview: Robert Llewellyn on making EVs go mainstream – transportandenergy

Batteries should NOT be kept topped to 100% as it will damage their performance. Like your mobile phone, or anything else with a rechargeable battery, it's better to run them down and then recharge.

Ranges quoted are always for best conditions. Cold weather and high speed (ie. motorway) driving decreases range.

Your main dealer can spout customer fob offs about "software updates," and "inspections" but they're fibbing. There's a more fundamental issue.

If you car tells you to just pull over for a bit to top up, you need to pull over for a few minutes to top up. It doesn't take long.

It's a different way about thinking about putting energy into your vehicle. The days of filling up at Petrol stations have gone.

It's not really an issue because, honestly, how often do you need to do 150 miles without a stop? Genuinely ?
 
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The days of filling up at Petrol stations have gone.
For the fewer than 400k UK owners of EV cars. The vast majority are still filling at petrol stations. But I get your point 😉

As an aside, it'll be interesting to see how accurate EV sale projections are... clearly they're spiking now, but will that be short lived as the numbers of people who can afford them/ they are practicable for, get them, and the majority, who can't, don't?
 
For the fewer than 400k UK owners of EV cars. The vast majority are still filling at petrol stations. But I get your point 😉

As an aside, it'll be interesting to see how accurate EV sale projections are... clearly they're spiking now, but will that be short lived as the numbers of people who can afford them/ they are practicable for, get them, and the majority, who can't, don't?
I prefer to think of it as

"34 million traditional cars in the UK will continue to fill up at petrol stations, but for less than half a million EV's currently on the road, it's no longer about filling up at petrol stations."

I disagree about the spike, the regulators are threatening multi-billion Euro fines at the car manufacturers so they been forced to develop and sell EV's to get below their 95g /km emission targets. (And use outrageous fine evasion techniques).
Most car makers will avoid EU emission fines

The government of the UK is still intending to tax ICE fuel heavily while EV's remain barely taxed at all. It makes for a powerful case for anyone wanting a short-range runaround for urban use.

(Note that the SNP gives 'free" electricity to Scottish EV car owners, what with urban congestion being so significant up there, unlike the South East.)
 
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It's not really an issue because, honestly, how often do you need to do 150 miles without a stop? Genuinely ?
Until EVs became mainstream I hadn’t realised how many people have to tow their twin axle caravan from Glasgow to Morocco three times every week, with 6 passengers, 4 bikes and 2 dobermans, and they must only stop for a maximum of 5 minutes once to refuel.

I’d like to see an EV do that. And until they can - and do so for a purchase price of £5k and the emergy cost no more than 10% of the cost of petrol and diesel then EVs are doomed to fail. I almost forgot that must be 10% based upon the energy prices in 1993.

And don’t get me even started on charging infrastructure (there are only three working chargers in the whole of the UK and they’re all in Daventry, and the need to replace the battery packs every 6 weeks at a cost three times greater than the cost of the car is past a joke.

The batteries are made by children and raw materials are mined by corrupt governments. During manufacture those materials must circumnavigate the world six times. A diesel must travel 544k miles before it even equals the CO2 output of manufacturing one battery.

Then there’s using it. Wind turbines don’t work without storm force winds and solar panels only work in June, so the the so called green EV is using electricity produced from fossil fuels. Hello sheeple, when will you wake up and smell the diesel fumes, I mean coffee?

And let‘s not kid ourselves, when “they” eventually install enough public chargers, the national grid can’t cope with simultaneously charging 37 million EVs from stone dead to the 150% we must all insist upon in case we have to go to the airport early one morning.

Need i mention the fact that 99.2% of the population don’t have a driveway to charge their car on, and so pavements will be littered with charging cables? And 98.7% of people rent their home and there’s no way landlords will pay to install chargers.

I could go on, but I’ll leave you with these final thoughts.

I read on an anti EV forum that a member spoke to someone in the queue at the barbers, who had read in the letters page of Auto Express that a disappointed EV driver who was forced to have an EV as a company car by their employer found that:

1. The 200 mile range claimed by the manufacturer can fall to as low as 169 miles if you drive at 112 mph in the midday heat of the Sahara desert, or in temperatures below -42 degrees C. We get both extremes every day here in Luton.

2. They had to take their car back for a recall, and the dealer told them that there had been another one in for the same recall the week before, and that the senior master technician said that they had once done a warranty claim on an EV too. The headlamps misted up.

3. In 2022, at the main dealer it takes nine senior master technicians three days to make an EV safe enough to change the window wiper blades. In 1977 I changed the engine in my Ford Granada on the footpath, on my own, at night, in 20 minutes. And that’s progress?

4. The UK is accountable for 0.7% of global CO2 emissions, and privately own cars make up 0.1% of that, so unless China stop building 92 coal powered power stations every week then there’s absolutely no point doing anything about it.

EVs aren’t the rsolution, but that won’t stop the Government forcing everyone to buy an EV just like they forced everyone to buy a diesel. We should definitely invest in hydrogen, hydrogen is definitely the future and the infrastructure could definitely be ready by next week.
 
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Until EVs became mainstream I hadn’t realised how many people have to tow their twin axle caravan from Glasgow to Morocco three times every week, with 6 passengers, 4 bikes and 2 dobermans, and they must only stop for a maximum of 5 minutes once to refuel.

I’d like to see an EV do that. And until they can - and do so for a purchase price of £5k and the emergy cost no more than 10% of the cost of petrol and diesel then EVs are doomed to fail. I almost forgot that must be 10% based upon the energy prices in 1993.

And don’t get me even started on charging infrastructure (there are only three working chargers in the whole of the UK and they’re all in Daventry, and the need to replace the battery packs every 6 weeks at a cost three times greater than the cost of the car is past a joke.

The batteries are made by children and raw materials are mined by corrupt governments. During manufacture those materials must circumnavigate the world six times. A diesel must travel 544k miles before it even equals the CO2 output of manufacturing one battery.

Then there’s using it. Wind turbines don’t work without storm force winds and solar panels only work in June, so the the so called green EV is using electricity produced from fossil fuels. Hello sheeple, when will you wake up and smell the diesel fumes, I mean coffee?

And let‘s not kid ourselves, when “they” eventually install enough public chargers, the national grid can’t cope with simultaneously charging 37 million EVs from stone dead to the 150% we must all insist upon in case we have to go to the airport early one morning.

Need i mention the fact that 99.2% of the population don’t have a driveway to charge their car on, and so pavements will be littered with charging cables? And 98.7% of people rent their home and there’s no way landlords will pay to install chargers.

I could go on, but I’ll leave you with these final thoughts.

I read on an anti EV forum that a member spoke to someone in the queue at the barbers, who had read in the letters page of Auto Express that a disappointed EV driver who was forced to have an EV as a company car by their employer found that:

1. The 200 mile range claimed by the manufacturer can fall to as low as 169 miles if you drive at 112 mph in the midday heat of the Sahara desert, or in temperatures below -42 degrees C. We get both extremes every day here in Luton.

2. They had to take their car back for a recall, and the dealer told them that there had been another one in for the same recall the week before, and that the senior master technician said that they had once done a warranty claim on an EV too. The headlamps misted up.

3. In 2022, at the main dealer it takes nine senior master technicians three days to make an EV safe enough to change the window wiper blades. In 1977 I changed the engine in my Ford Granada on the footpath, on my own, at night, in 20 minutes. And that’s progress?

4. The UK is accountable for 0.7% of global CO2 emissions, and privately own cars make up 0.1% of that, so unless China stop building 92 coal powered power stations every week then there’s absolutely no point doing anything about it.

EVs aren’t the rsolution, but that won’t stop the Government forcing everyone to buy an EV just like they forced everyone to buy a diesel. We should definitely invest in hydrogen, hydrogen is definitely the future and the infrastructure could definitely be ready by next week.
I'm sorry but I think that what you have posted there is complete and utter crap! It seems that you have plucked random numbers out of the air just to try and prove your point...... it takes at least 23 minutes to change a Granada engine at the side of the road 😁
 
I prefer to think of it as

"34 million traditional cars in the UK will continue to fill up at petrol stations, but for less than half a million EV's currently on the road, it's no longer about filling up at petrol stations."

I disagree about the spike, the regulators are threatening multi-billion Euro fines at the car manufacturers so they been forced to develop and sell EV's to get below their 95g /km emission targets. (And use outrageous fine evasion techniques).
Most car makers will avoid EU emission fines

The government of the UK is still intending to tax ICE fuel heavily while EV's remain barely taxed at all. It makes for a powerful case for anyone wanting a short-range runaround for urban use.

(Note that the SNP gives 'free" electricity to Scottish EV car owners, what with urban congestion being so significant up there, unlike the South East.)
All good points that I agree with.

Perhaps the word "spike" was misleading. There is a steep upward trend in EV that will surely continue in the near term. My question is for how long can that trend last whilst EV car costs remain high, and their practicality for some use cases remains low. But, as you point out, those aren't the only contributory factors.....
 
EVs aren’t the rsolution, but that won’t stop the Government forcing everyone to buy an EV just like they forced everyone to buy a diesel.
Amen to that. The point I take issue with is that debate has been taken away from green issues relating to cars, there is only one school of thought in mainstream politics. And our choices are being taken away from us by those politicians, when personally I don't believe the debate is settled, and one size will never fit all.
 

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