Goodyear UltraGrip Performance - Shocking Degradation (at least visually)

[Funkyboy]

It's called chunking have a look on YouTube. Goodyear are the worst for it.

 

[ALFAitalia]

That's not chunking.....

 

[Wolfie1]

Have seen that before on them exact tyres quite a few times

 

[Petrol Pete]

Have we not determined that these are 'full blown' winter tyres that have ben destroyed by being driven on hot roads , outside of their design window ?

I'm confused

 

[geoffus]

Have we not determined that these are 'full blown' winter tyres that have ben destroyed by being driven on hot roads , outside of their design window ?

I'm confused

Yes, case closed

 

[Stocho]

Have we not determined that these are 'full blown' winter tyres that have ben destroyed by being driven on hot roads , outside of their design window ?

I'm confused

Continentals TS850 were also winter tyres. Were used by me both winter and summer. No issues at all, lasted 20k+ miles. Excellent grip on snow, or in summer. I had them on my old W210 but they were so good that I put W210 wheels with them on my W211 until they were worn out (after 20k+ miles).

Unfortunately, could not get Continentals TS850s for the proper W211 wheels so switched to Goodyear UltraGrip Performance that had superb reviews (once Continentals on W210 wheels became worn out very gracefully).

Goodyear UltraGrip Performance did not live up to their superb reviews even in winter, their grip on the road was considerably weaker, even in winter, than with Continentals TS850. And then this awful wear on them appeared.

So, no, I do not accept that these are good winter tyres and the only problem is that I used them in summer. My advice is to AVOID them.

Personally I just switched them to Michelin Cross Climate 2.... again trusting reviews that state that basically these are all season tyres that perform in winter as good as winter tyres. Was seriously considering Continentals TS810... but a bit hesitant to buy so old model when current is not even TS850 that I had on W210 but TS870. Neither TS850 nor TS870 are available in 245 45 R17, unfortunately.

 

[JHS]

GOODYEAR ULTRAGRIP PERFORMANCE GEN-1 | Winter

GOODYEAR ULTRAGRIP PERFORMANCE GEN-1 Winter. Excellent grip and high handling performance in all winter conditions

www.goodyear.eu

They are winter tyres, sold as such by Goodyear. Winter tyres are designed to be used at ambient temperatures BELOW 7dec C.
You use them well outside of their design parameters but do not think that this is relevant and advise people to "avoid"?

 

[Stocho]

GOODYEAR ULTRAGRIP PERFORMANCE GEN-1 | Winter

GOODYEAR ULTRAGRIP PERFORMANCE GEN-1 Winter. Excellent grip and high handling performance in all winter conditions

www.goodyear.eu

They are winter tyres, sold as such by Goodyear. Winter tyres are designed to be used at ambient temperatures BELOW 7dec C.
You use them well outside of their design parameters but do not think that this is relevant and advise people to "avoid"?

I explained my reasons for that:
1. Even in winter performance was nowhere near Continental TS850
2. Continentals TS850 were also winter tyres. However I used them all year around with no issues lasted many years and 20k+ miles.

With regard to "Winter tyres are designed to be used at ambient temperatures BELOW 7dec C" with the implication that all winter tyres have to do is perform in that range and outside of it whatever.... well it can be one day -4C and ice and a couple of days later +10C or even +15C in the Uk in, say, January. Also the same statements could be applied to Continentals TS850 - yet they showed no issues after being used 5year+ and 20k+ miles all season.

So yes, my advice is to AVOID Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

 

[JHS]

I explained my reasons for that:
1. Even in winter performance was nowhere near Continental TS850
2. Continentals TS850 were also winter tyres. However I used them all year around with no issues lasted many years and 20k+ miles.

With regard to "Winter tyres are designed to be used at ambient temperatures BELOW 7dec C" with the implication that all winter tyres have to do is perform in that range and outside of it whatever.... well it can be one day -4C and ice and a couple of days later +10C or even +15C in the Uk in, say, January. Also the same statements could be applied to Continentals TS850 - yet they showed no issues after being used 5year+ and 20k+ miles all season.

So yes, my advice is to AVOID Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

I don't think that many will take your advice.
BTW, I did say well outside the design parameters.

 

[Stocho]

I don't think that many will take your advice.
BTW, I did say well outside the design parameters.

Apart from my advice there is also Goodyear UltraGrip Performance - Shocking Degradation (at least visually) | Wheels, Tyres, Brakes & Suspension

So if you want to buy them go on. But I would be more careful before speaking for "many".

 

[JHS]

Apart from my advice there is also Goodyear UltraGrip Performance - Shocking Degradation (at least visually) | Wheels, Tyres, Brakes & Suspension

So if you want to buy them go on. But I would be more careful before speaking for "many".

My bad. You are completely correct. We should all use winter tyres all year, in all temperatures. What do the tyre manufacturers know anyway.

 

[Stocho]

My bad. You are completely correct. We should all use winter tyres all year, in all temperatures. What do the tyre manufacturers know anyway.

Questioning one extreme does not mean jumping to another.

I compared one winter tyre to another. I used each of the for around 4years.

1. Continental TS850 had a much better grip than Goodyear UltraGrip Performance on snow.
2. Continental TS850 had a much better grip/handling than Goodyear UltraGrip Performance in wet conditions be it winter or summer.
3. Continental TS850 had a much better grip/handling than Goodyear UltraGrip Performance in dry conditions be it winter or summer.
4. Both were used all season. GoodYear had major tread deterioration after 14k miles and TS850 lasted 20k+ miles perfectly.
5. Both a similarly priced and GoodYear is being pushed as brand comparable to Continental/Michelin so it is more than fair to compare it to Continental winter tyre.

Others also have seen similar tread issues with Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

That for me more than enough to advise to AVOID Goodyear UltraGrip Performance as it is vastly inferior to Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

 

[JHS]

That for me more than enough to advise to AVOID Goodyear UltraGrip Performance as it is vastly inferior to Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

I will bear hat in mind when I next buy winter tyres for summer use.

 

[Stocho]

I will bear hat in mind when I next buy winter tyres for summer use.

Questioning one extreme does not mean jumping to another.

Switched to winter tyres after finding W210 totally undrivable in snow with top brand (Mich or Cont) summer tyres - after advice on forums. The car would go sideways towards the curb rather than forwards. Winter tyre Continental TS850 performed perfectly all season. Lasted 20k+ miles.

Close to 100% of UK drive on summer tyres in winter. Why don't you start your runt at them?

Go on, read your washing machine or dishwasher or whatever manuals you have. Perhaps you have connected them yourself rather than by calling a plumber and an electrician as the manual advises?

 

[JHS]

Questioning one extreme does not mean jumping to another.

Switched to winter tyres after finding W210 totally undrivable in snow with top brand (Mich or Cont) summer tyres - after advice on forums. The car would go sideways towards the curb rather than forwards. Winter tyre Continental TS850 performed perfectly all season. Lasted 20k+ miles.

Close to 100% of UK drive on summer tyres in winter. Why don't you start your runt at them?

Go on, read your washing machine or dishwasher or whatever manuals you have. Perhaps you have connected them yourself rather than by calling a plumber and an electrician as the manual advises?

I give up.

 

[NJSS]

I am struggling to understand this:-

That for me more than enough to advise to AVOID Goodyear UltraGrip Performance as it is vastly inferior to Goodyear UltraGrip Performance.

are they not both the same tyre?

 

[Stocho]

I am struggling to understand this:-


are they not both the same tyre?

Sorry, typo, I meant UltraGrip Performance is vastly inferior to Continental TS850 (a winter tyre I had for many years on W210 used all season with no issues and very good performance). Unfortunately TS850 was not available in 17 245 45 for W211.

 

[Bobby Dazzler]

The Continental TS850 is indeed a great tyre capable of running all year round without damage to the tyre, and without a noticeable reduction on on-rod performance in normal driving.

No doubt in Summer the TS850 wouldn’t perform as well as a high performance summer tyre, just as a high performance summer tyre wouldn’t perform as well as the TS850 in winter.

I’ve run Michelin, Pirelli and Continental winter tyres all year round a few times, on some fairly pokey RWD and AWD cars, and all performed well, The wear rate didn't even accelerate over summer.

When I’ve done that it’s largely been for convenience, but with one particular car I deliberately only run it on Summer tyres for 3 months, because Winter tyres are better suited for it in Spring and Autumn.

I consider a premium Winter tyre to be a better compromise than a premium Summer tyre for all round use in most of the UK. I personally prefer to switch to suit the season though.

 

[JHS]

The Continental TS850 is indeed a great tyre capable of running all year round without damage to the tyre, and without a noticeable reduction on on-rod performance in normal driving.

No doubt in Summer the TS850 wouldn’t perform as well as a high performance summer tyre, just as a high performance summer tyre wouldn’t perform as well as the TS850 in winter.

I’ve run Michelin, Pirelli and Continental winter tyres all year round a few times, on some fairly pokey RWD and AWD cars, and all performed well, The wear rate didn't even accelerate over summer.

When I’ve done that it’s largely been for convenience, but with one particular car I deliberately only run it on Summer tyres for 3 months, because Winter tyres are better suited for it in Spring and Autumn.

I consider a premium Winter tyre to be a better compromise than a premium Summer tyre for all round use in most of the UK. I personally prefer to switch to suit the season though.

You may disagree, and the op certainly will, but the damage to his winter tyre used all year round, is typical of high hysteresis winter tyres overheating and failing.
I know people hat insist they do not need winter tyres, but this is the first time that I have encountered anyone (the OP) advocating winter tyres all the year round.