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Hit and run

It is irresponsible of any driver ( bike or car ) to accelerate disproportionately to the availability of hazard free road space ahead .

Even in response situations , police drivers are taught to look for 'positive response' or evidence that the other driver is aware of them before closing into proximity of other vehicles where there might be potential for conflict or collision .

Bikers are "different". They can never be wrong.

My suspicion is due to the high winds speeds and acceleration causing some sort of turbulence in their brains. After a while of riding bikes, they don't seem to be able to think cohesively...rather like having some form of concussion.
 
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As a former biker , and advanced driver , I'm trying to take an impartial and unbiased view .
 
Touche...

Age at death isn't actually a good indicator of the average age of motorcyclists...

Younger than me at least. I was interested, I will be getting a bike back on the road after a few years off two wheels, my Guzzi will probably be roadworthy again this spring making me a 'BAB' I suppose.
The statistics I've seen do indicate an increase in deaths of older bikers, but not 'most' - they also indicate most had only passed their test within the last few years. Maybe it's just lots of FS1E riders who bottled out of real bikes when they were young suddenly rushing out and getting something to make up for the bald spot...ought to stick to convertibles.

I actually think DRLs on bikes are dangerous, they work on cars with two because your brain can use parallax to estimate distance and speed - with a spot source it's almost impossible to gauge the speed of an oncoming vehicle, all you can see is a virtually unchanging light.
 
Age at death isn't actually a good indicator of the average age of motorcyclists...

It's a reasonable indicator to the age at time of death...which was the point being made...by you.
 
If they 'can't see' a motorbike (unless it not got lights and it's dark) it's either because they're blind or not looking. I've had cars pull out on me in whether I'm in cars or on bikes - they're apparently not sight-impaired so I assume they just don't look.

Or it's because the traffic is heavy and bikers weave in and out of lanes at speed and people are looking forward because they are travelling at the national speed limit.

If you can sit there watching out for bikes constantly in your mirror, good luck when the traffic in front stops.

however it also says 'give motorcyclists, cyclists and horse riders at least as much room as you would when overtaking a car'

That is referring to a car overtaking those obstacles and treating them as you would when overtaking a car.

That doesn't justify bikes splitting a pair of lanes and riding as fast as they can between cars.

Until I see that in the HC, any biker who is knocked off as a result is the victim of their own stupidity.
 

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Elliot et al (2003) showed that almost two-thirds of the riders killed on non-built-up roads were aged over 30 and were riding bikes with an engine capacity greater than 500cc.
Huh, that's it?

30 is young...I was talking about people younger than me...and what about people who were riding bikes of less than 500cc or riding in built up areas? What proportion of total deaths?

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Motorcycles have poor sensory conspicuity (the physical qualities of the approaching vehicle that distinguish it from its background) and cognitive conspicuity (the degree to which the observer’s experience or intentions affects the salience of the approaching vehicle) due to the smaller size of the motorcycle and being less frequent and hence less expected than cars.

All that means is bikes are more difficult to spot than cars...which is why drivers are so often exhorted to look out especially for small targets like bikers, cyclists and pedestrians - didn't you know that?

Lastly, a note on Filtering

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- Right of way violation accidents (38% of cases)
- Loss of control at bends at speed (11% plus of cases)
- Overtaking/filtering accidents (15% of cases)
So only 15% of fatals are due filtering or overtaking incidents? Relevance?

If that's the level of information you base your insights on no wonder you sound like an idiot so often.

"The figures also show that 48% of crashes between motorcycles and cars were the result of the car driver failing to look properly. "

Looks like you missed that one?
 

Yep...they are no different...but the point (if indeed that was what I was doing) about the videos I posted was just how incredibly lucky the first guy was to get away with it. But, hey, you read what ever way you want.
 
Keeping in mind that our driving involves intensive use of peripheral vision.. it is not surprising that so many bikers and cyclists are hit by cars.

I often encounter bikers and cyclists who seem to assume that car drivers see them. This is wrong in my view, they should assume that cars do not see them, unless proven otherwise.

The biker that sadly filmed his own death had enough time to slow down and take evasive action, but when he saw the vehicle turn into his path he assumed that he will be given the right of way - and only tried avoiding it once he realised this was not the case, which was too late.

This has nothing to do with legal liability or the highway code etc - just personal safety...
 
The thing is, to drive or ride like every other road user is a homicidal idiot, it helps preserve you, and in a lot of cases you are correct.
 
Ive done more than that as a pillion. I think. Late 90's gsxr1100 bouncing off the rev limiter in top along the a329m near Wokingham. No traffic admittedly.
 
It is irresponsible of any driver ( bike or car ) to accelerate disproportionately to the availability of hazard free road space ahead .

Even in response situations , police drivers are taught to look for 'positive response' or evidence that the other driver is aware of them before closing into proximity of other vehicles where there might be potential for conflict or collision .

Exactly! I'll hopefully never forget a piece of advice given to me by a Traffic Cop at a 'better driving course'...."never accelerate into a closing gap".

Ernie
 

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