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I.C.E versus hybrid

D2028

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My older sister is wondering whether to buy petrol ice or hybrid, currently drives a Renault captur diesel manual transmission but wants to buy an automatic as she's in her late 60s now. Budget won't stretch to mercedes as she wants a 2023 car with very low mileage and reckons this will be her last car purchase.
So what's the general opinion on a max budget of £25000?
 
What does she want to use it for?

Why get rid of the Captur? Great little car for someone approaching their Seventies.

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Doesn't want a diesel any more. Only does one 120 mile round trip a week on b roads, the rest of the week is local
 
I should have mentioned she wants something around the same.size as the captur and what she likes most about her current car is the elevated driving position, she did look at a Toyota CHR but vision out of the rear window is terrible.
 
Is that a hybrid, I thought it was fully electric?
 
Throwing my twopence worth into the pot would be a
Kia niro auto.
 
Worth a look I guess. I suppose most of the components in modern cars come from the far East now anyway.
 
Juke Hybrid ?

We are onto our third Juke now as wifey likes a slightly elevated driving position , the new 1L three pot motor is more than up to the job on the motorway or around town.

We went for the non-hybrid as all the hybrids were autos and wifey doesn`t like change so it had to be a manual meaning just the ICE version for us , Techna + is a well kitted out vehicle.

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Obviously a lot to choose from, looks like my sister is going to be very busy test driving and visiting showrooms, unfortunately I'll be dragged along like a faithful puppy!
 
We went for the non-hybrid as all the hybrids were autos and wifey doesn`t like change so it had to be a manual meaning just the ICE version for us , Techna + is a well kitted out vehicle.

Juke is quite a decent experience in terms of front accommodation.

However IME Juke automatic CVT is to be avoided. I generally like CVTs but the Juke setup was frustrating on the cars that I have driven - to the extent that I reported the first car as faulty (and then by the second and third cars learned 'faulty' meant normal for this model). Poor economy and the drivetrain setup car felt like it was struggling when going up moderate hills or asked to overtake.
 
I should have mentioned she wants something around the same.size as the captur and what she likes most about her current car is the elevated driving position, she did look at a Toyota CHR but vision out of the rear window is terrible.
Any reason why she doesn’t want a newer petrol or plug-in hybrid Renault Captur?
 
Anything pure BEV or petrol....anything else (hybrids) is just adding extra complication and potential week points for no real gain.
 
The rear vision on the C-HR is no problem at all.
With the rear camera and blind spot monitoring it’s even better.
 
I've thought for some time that in theory Hybrid is the optimum option. Zero or low emissions in town and no range anxiety out of town. There are several caveats though. It would have to be something reliable which rules out most of them including Mercedes. If bought for economy and low emissions reasons then it has to be operated with that in mind. The government has a bigger downer on hybrids because they were advised that real world MPG and corresponding emissions were very little improved over ICE but that was because they were being bought mainly to save tax and were being used in a lazy way e.g. If plug in hybrids they didn't ever get plugged in.

Toyota would be the way to go and possibly other Japanese manufactures that have proven hybrid drive trains. Toyota in particular have taken a very sensible approach to the rate of transition to EVs and seem to be benefiting as a result. The link below is about the US but the slow down in EV sales growth is mostly world wide and the reasons for it will be the same.

Elon Musk dismissed hybrid vehicles as a ‘phase’ while Toyota doubled down on them. Now they’re a ‘smoking-hot market’ as EV demand chills
 

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