I.C.E versus hybrid

[MikeInWimbledon]

I've thought for some time that in theory Hybrid is the optimum option.

Your comment reminds me of an old and wry comment about an alleged approach from French negotiators in Brussels. (Generally, well before the B word.)

“Yes, that solution would work very well in practice. But does it work in theory?”

 

[sgregory124]

For under £25k she could get a brand new Dacia Duster. Bought one for my wife in May and it's been faultless, cheapest car to run/maintain I've ever owned.

 

[Darrell]

For under £25k she could get a brand new Dacia Duster. Bought one for my wife in May and it's been faultless, cheapest car to run/maintain I've ever owned.

We’ve got a Duster over in Greece. Admittedly it doesn’t do big miles but we leave it at Skiathos airport all winter and it fires up first time after sitting idle for up to 6 months.

 

[sgregory124]

We’ve got a Duster over in Greece. Admittedly it doesn’t do big miles but we leave it at Skiathos airport all winter and it fires up first time after sitting idle for up to 6 months.

They get a lot of bad press, unfairly in my opinion. Ours has already done 5000 miles (including one trip to France) and it's become the general purpose car of the household. Proven (cheap) parts, cheap servicing, big warranty, fairly economical, what's not to like?

 

[ALFAitalia]

......nothing....oh just, the name, the image, the styling, the recycled old style X Trail parts, the build quality, the old tech, resale value, it being an SUV shaped car!!!! Depends on what you buy a car for....if its to get from A to B cheaply (and pretty reliably by all counts) then its will do fine......but to me there is so much more to cars than that....so its "no" from me!!!

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

For under £25k she could get a brand new Dacia Duster. Bought one for my wife in May and it's been faultless, cheapest car to run/maintain I've ever owned.

Don’t forget that a main dealer will happily accept £17k for a 2023 Duster with just 5k on the clock.

A £7k saving which buys a fair bit of Christmas spirit.

Very popular, practical cars.

But what’s her priority in buying a new car?

 

[sgregory124]

......nothing....oh just, the name, the image, the styling, the recycled old style X Trail parts, the build quality, the old tech, resale value, it being an SUV shaped car!!!! Depends on what you buy a car for....if its to get from A to B cheaply (and pretty reliably by all counts) then its will do fine......but to me there is so much more to cars than that....so its "no" from me!!!

Well I guess if you're superficial to the extent that you won't drive a Dacia because of those things you mentioned, that's your lookout. I've long since stopped caring about what other people think about me/what I drive. My wife has no interest in cars so it's perfect for her, it has 4 wheels and it gets her where she needs to go.

I also accept that its going to be worth two halves of nothing when it comes to getting rid of it, but that's kind of the point - disposable motoring.

Besides, I have my C63S (soon to be E63S) for all the things that I enjoy about motoring. Also, having something like the Dacia around makes me appreciate the Merc even more than I already do on every drive, its a win-win.

 

[ALFAitalia]

......fair enough view point.....but to me it would be the other way around.....the Merc would make the Dacia feel even more rubbish!!! Its not so much that I'm superficial.......its more that I have certain standards.....low as they might be!!!....and recycled Romanian built SUVs fall JUST below those!!

 

[D2028]

Any reason why she doesn’t want a newer petrol or plug-in hybrid Renault Captur?

Doesn't want a plug in or full electric because of lack of infrastructure and physically plugging it in puts her off.( She only ever uses her local filling station who fill the fuel for her!)

 

[D2028]

Don’t forget that a main dealer will happily accept £17k for a 2023 Duster with just 5k on the clock.

A £7k saving which buys a fair bit of Christmas spirit.

Very popular, practical cars.

But what’s her priority in buying a new car?

Main priorities are non diesel and automatic.

 

[Ted]

Worth pointing out that depending on the type of journey, a ‘self charging’ hybrid will often di over 50% of the trip on electric, so her 150 mile trip will do around 75 miles on electric only.

 

[D2028]

I didn't realise that self charging hybrids would cover that much mileage on electric only, I was led to believe that 20-30 miles would be optimistic

Worth pointing out that depending on the type of journey, a ‘self charging’ hybrid will often di over 50% of the trip on electric, so her 150 mile trip will do around 75 miles on electric only.

 

[ALFAitalia]

All power on a self charging hybrid comes from petrol/diesel of course. Petrol is used to make the electricity in the first place (and it uses extra fuel to make the electricity!).....so its being powered by liquid carbon fuel no matter how its being pushed along. So is it ever really electric only???

 

[Ted]

The c-hr will only do around 1-1.5 miles on electric only. But under normal driving it is recharging every time you lift off the accelerator/ brake so the motor is being used a surprising amount on a journey.
Recent journey here. Electric only in blue. Normal driving - not attempting to save petrol.



Edit: must have been trying here

 

[ALFAitalia]

So 63mpg when nearly 50% was on electric?...so about only 32 mpg when just on petrol?.....Hmm.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Doesn't want a plug in or full electric because of lack of infrastructure and physically plugging it in puts her off.( She only ever uses her local filling station who fill the fuel for her!)

So why not a petrol Renault Captur ?

(Does she realise that if she has her own driveway, all she would have to do to charge an EV or plug in hybrid is plug her car into a three pin socket. The classic "Granny cable." The only people who use chargers outside supermarkets etc are the folks who don't have a driveway or who are driving hundreds and hundreds of miles away from home)

 

[Ted]

All power on a self charging hybrid comes from petrol/diesel of course. Petrol is used to make the electricity in the first place (and it uses extra fuel to make the electricity!).....so its being powered by liquid carbon fuel no matter how its being pushed along. So is it ever really electric only???

Aiui nearly all of the electricity generated is recovering energy from overrun and braking.
If you accelerate hard then the motor comes in to assist the engine.
I could be wrong (I was once) but as I understand the way the engine works (it’s atkinson cycle), when acceleration is required, the engine will go to one of its most efficient points which could be higher revs than required. The ‘extra’ is then used to charge the traction battery.

So 63mpg when nearly 50% was on electric?...so about only 32 mpg when just on petrol?.....Hmm.

That’s a fair point - and one I’ve considered.

 

[D2028]

So why not a petrol Renault Captur ?

(Does she realise that if she has her own driveway, all she would have to do to charge an EV or plug in hybrid is plug her car into a three pin socket. The classic "Granny cable." The only people who use chargers outside supermarkets etc are the folks who don't have a driveway or who are driving hundreds and hundreds of miles away from home)

She has her own driveway but as far as I know charging on a 13 amp household plug would take around 30hours

 

[D2028]

Petrol only is of course an option she is considering and she is happy with the Captur but I guess that like most people dropping some serious cash something different to what she has had for 7 years is pretty normal.

 

[SmartAmg]

It's all getting to complicated now, looks like a nice simple petrol auto, is going to be the best choice for your sister, especially if her local garage fill it for her.