I.C.E versus hybrid

[D2028]

Aiui nearly all of the electricity generated is recovering energy from overrun and braking.
If you accelerate hard then the motor comes in to assist the engine.
I could be wrong (I was once) but as I understand the way the engine works (it’s atkinson cycle), when acceleration is required, the engine will go to one of its most efficient points which could be higher revs than required. The ‘extra’ is then used to charge the traction battery.


That’s a fair point - and one I’ve considered.

Do you mind me asking which model CH-R you have and is it a CVT auto?

 

[D2028]

It's all getting to complicated now, looks like a nice simple petrol auto, is going to be the best choice for your sister, especially if her local garage fill it for her.

I'm beginning to think you could be right

 

[190]

For a hybrid to make financial sense, the overall cost of ownership has to be less than the equivalent ICE version and given the hybrid costs more in the first place it will need to use significantly less fuel to justify the additional outlay. If a users personal circumstances result in a hybrid not delivering that lower cost of ownership then perhaps it's not the car for them. Note cost of ownership encompasses all the financial considerations such as reliability and depreciation as well as the obvious one of fuel economy.

A hybrid is supposed to be most efficient in the city where the ICE is poor so you have to to consider what mix of city vs open road driving is envisaged. I doubt a hybrid could compete with an ICE financially if there is very little city driving involved as I don't see they could offer any advantage on the motorway where there is or at least should be, precious little braking involved.

 

[Ted]

Do you mind me asking which model CH-R you have and is it a CVT auto?

Hi, it’s a GR Sport 1.8.
Perfect for Mrs Ted, but I think the 2.0 would turn it into a really great car.
I’d also go for alcantara if I was choosing again

Yes - it’s the cvt auto - all the hybrids are

 

[D2028]

Hi, it’s a GR Sport 1.8.
Perfect for Mrs Ted, but I think the 2.0 would turn it into a really great car.
I’d also go for alcantara if I was choosing again

Yes - it’s the cvt auto - all the hybrids are

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That's the same colour as the one she looked at, they are a nice looking car.

 

[Wagon]

She has her own driveway but as far as I know charging on a 13 amp household plug would take around 30hours

I have a plug in hybrid as a company car , VAG group , it takes 6 hrs to charge on a 3 pin.

 

[D2028]

I have a plug in hybrid as a company car , VAG group , it takes 6 hrs to charge on a 3 pin.

Having heard all the valid pros and cons suggested on here I don't think she'll gain anything from a hybrid of any description and she's not ready yet for the leap of faith to full electric so I think it's probably going to be a straight petrol ICE .
Thanks for all the replies and , if nothing else, I have learned quite a bit in a short time.
My take from this is that battery technology has a way to go as does the charging infrastructure. Current technology will suit some users but it's not for everyone....yet.

 

[Smiley]

The Hyundai and Kia autos are good old fashioned torque converter autos so drive much better than the CVTs and automated manuals that most cars have now. Seem to be decent enough and with 5/7 year warranties might be worth looking at.

 

[D2028]

Since she has never driven automatic before so CVT might be ok as she has no point of reference but point taken thanks

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

She has her own driveway but as far as I know charging on a 13 amp household plug would take around 30hours

Pardon? Why’s that?

Does she regularly drive 300 miles in a day, so emptying her battery completely, and so needing a full top up on return to home - so that she can do another 300 miles the next day? Did I miss something?

Just a typical 15 hour plug in would add 150 miles. With her own driveway, she’d just routinely plug in when she gets home.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Petrol only is of course an option she is considering and she is happy with the Captur but I guess that like most people dropping some serious cash something different to what she has had for 7 years is pretty normal.

Which is why I keep asking what her requirement is.

Without some kind of guideline of what she fancies, folks are just plucking names out of the air.

Big enough for a couple of grandchildren? Small enough to park anywhere? Party of five adults needing to go to The Rugby? Something colourful and stylish? Something novel?

 

[Wagon]

The Hyundai and Kia autos are good old fashioned torque converter autos so drive much better than the CVTs and automated manuals that most cars have now. Seem to be decent enough and with 5/7 year warranties might be worth looking at.

My outgoing Kia Sportage had a DCT and it was dreadful

 

[D2028]

Which is why I keep asking what her requirement is.

Without some kind of guideline of what she fancies, folks are just plucking names out of the air.

Big enough for a couple of grandchildren? Small enough to park anywhere? Party of five adults needing to go to The Rugby? Something colourful and stylish? Something novel?

No grandchildren, lives on her own. Large boot for shopping, non diesel, automatic, elevated driving position, similar size to a Renault Captur with good all round vision, economical to run, reasonable build quality, technologically easy to understand ( I'm referring to driver aids , infotainment systems and all the computerized gadgets that seem to come standard these days, personally I love all that stuff but she gets frustrated with tech)

 

[D2028]

Pardon? Why’s that?

Does she regularly drive 300 miles in a day, so emptying her battery completely, and so needing a full top up on return to home - so that she can do another 300 miles the next day? Did I miss something?

Just a typical 15 hour plug in would add 150 miles. With her own driveway, she’d just routinely plug in when she gets home.

See post #29

 

[SmartAmg]

Just a suggestion.
Dacia Stepway, elevated driving position, certainly looks the part, nice motor. And the Tech is not too Techy. The one in the pic is Manual, but they do come in Petrol Auto.

 

[D2028]

Thanks for that, that’s not a bad looking car, I’ll look into it , I’m not familiar with the make so might be worth a test drive .

 

[ALFAitalia]

Or not.....drum rear brakes in 2023? Really! 0 to 60 in over 13 seconds. Obviously you might love it and its good value....for a reason.

Dacia Disappointment. What did I really expect? - Page 1 - Dacia - PistonHeads UK

www.pistonheads.com

 

[Darrell]

Or not.....drum rear brakes in 2023? Really! 0 to 60 in over 13 seconds. Obviously you might love it and its good value....for a reason.

Dacia Disappointment. What did I really expect? - Page 1 - Dacia - PistonHeads UK

www.pistonheads.com

A 2 year old review.

 

[SmartAmg]

Or not.....drum rear brakes in 2023? Really! 0 to 60 in over 13 seconds. Obviously you might love it and its good value....for a reason.

I don't love it, but certainly don't mind it. BUT it's not for me or you, it's for his Sister. You obviously don't like Dacia's, Full Stop, End of, going off your other posts in this thread, and that's fair enough. But again it's not for you.

 

[D2028]

Just had a Quick Look at some YouTube reviews which were mostly positive and seemed good value for money but I think the interior finishes, especially the plastics, wouldn’t be to her taste. So I’d probably rule that one out.