Impatient motorists.

[chic0821]

With farmworker's vehicle comes farmworker's behaviour, eh? Why don't the dozy bozos pull over and let the queue past? If it were me, I would...

Your missing the point. They are running a sweepstake. Free drink all night at Xmas for the one with the longest queue behind

 

[philnewmerc]

Who mentioned the whinging, envious term 'entitlement'? We're discussing tractors, and other dawdlers, who hold other people up; travelling road blocks, I'd call them. Some of them are mean-spirited, self-righteous, meraly-mouthed smug prigs who don't want to go fast and don't see why anyone else should want to either. Ring any bells?

You have not the slightest idea of how skilled a driver I am. I'm no racing driver, but some of us like to make progress, and I'm one of them, and I'm quite good at it; practice makes perfect - well, better anyway. Not much point in having fast cars and driving them slowly, is there? You wouldn't agree with that either, would you?

I had a 129 once; a 500. It was dog-slow - bit like yours, only not as slow. I now have a 172...

Live and let live. If somebody who wants to go faster than I do comes up behind me, I'll move over and let them go by. If it's you, I'll let you go by, but it never will be, will it?

And breathe...

Get over yourself yourself.

I think the point is the OP said the prat overtook on a "blind bend", blind being the operative word and implying unsafe... and you took issue with him being annoyed by the overtaker because some people are quite good at overtaking 'if it's safe'. That begs the questions is overtaking on a blind bend sometimes acceptable if you are really good at 'making progress' as you say? Unless you also have telepathic powers I'd suggest blind bends are called blind bends because it's not possible to know if it's safe until the bend is not blind. But on the other hand I'd also say dawdlers do my head in too (but they have a perfect right to dawdle and Audi drivers who believe themselves to be telepathic blind bend progress-makers are far worse imho).

 

[BIGDOG]

Top Tip for new boy; if you have nothing useful to add to a discussion, say nothing...

Farm worker behaviour and new boy put downs?

I’ll be looking out for you,

 

[rich1068]

Who mentioned the whinging, envious term 'entitlement'? We're discussing tractors, and other dawdlers, who hold other people up; travelling road blocks, I'd call them. Some of them are mean-spirited, self-righteous, meraly-mouthed smug prigs who don't want to go fast and don't see why anyone else should want to either. Ring any bells?

You have not the slightest idea of how skilled a driver I am. I'm no racing driver, but some of us like to make progress, and I'm one of them, and I'm quite good at it; practice makes perfect - well, better anyway. Not much point in having fast cars and driving them slowly, is there? You wouldn't agree with that either, would you?

I had a 129 once; a 500. It was dog-slow - bit like yours, only not as slow. I now have a 172...

Live and let live. If somebody who wants to go faster than I do comes up behind me, I'll move over and let them go by. If it's you, I'll let you go by, but it never will be, will it?

And breathe...

Get over yourself yourself.

Prat.

Oh, sorry. I'm a new boy.

 

[E55BOF]

You got half of that right... As to0 which half, I couldn't possibly comment...

 

[E55BOF]

I think the point is the OP said the prat overtook on a "blind bend", blind being the operative word and implying unsafe... and you took issue with him being annoyed by the overtaker because some people are quite good at overtaking 'if it's safe'. That begs the questions is overtaking on a blind bend sometimes acceptable if you are really good at 'making progress' as you say? Unless you also have telepathic powers I'd suggest blind bends are called blind bends because it's not possible to know if it's safe until the bend is not blind. But on the other hand I'd also say dawdlers do my head in too (but they have a perfect right to dawdle and Audi drivers who believe themselves to be telepathic blind bend progress-makers are far worse imho).

He wasn't actually the OP.

I didn't take issue with that post at all; I merely pointed out that "perceptions and abilities do differ". If a driver is passing a slower car at a considerably faster pace, a blind bend 200 yards away may not be a factor; if the speed difference is small, it may well be. The principle criterion I try to apply is basically "what if I meet myself coming the other way?"

I wasn't there at the time, and neither were you, so we can't comment on the actual event, which is why I qualified what I said.

Yes, dawdlers do have a perfect right to dawdle, but I'd usually rather be in front pulling away from than dawdling behind them. I won't overtake on blind bends, though; that would be too risky.

 

[st13phil]

If a driver is passing a slower car at a considerably faster pace, a blind bend 200 yards away may not be a factor; if the speed difference is small, it may well be. The principle criterion I try to apply is basically "what if I meet myself coming the other way?"

^ This. Both parts.

For example, it's perfectly possible to make proper observation of the road ahead before visibility is temporarily lost and make a safe overtake on what appears to be an unsighted section of road to another driver who lacks the observation skills. Likewise, when I'm riding my K1600 my line of sight is considerably higher than that of a car driver, so I can have good visibility over hedgerows when a car driver is unsighted. They may think my overtake is unsighted / stupid / reckless in those circumstances, but it isn't.

Overtaking on a single carriageway is one of the higher risk actions we make as drivers, but done properly the risk is managed through observation and planning and reduced to a level of insignificance. That so many drivers now lack the ability to do it safely and instead simply trundle along - often far too close to the vehicle in front of them - in a slow moving train of vehicles is disappointing and causes real obstruction.

One other thing I've noticed is that other drivers travelling more slowly are increasingly likely to brake as you start to make an overtake on them. Why?

 

[TC350]

One other thing I've noticed is that other drivers travelling more slowly are increasingly likely to brake as you start to make an overtake on them. Why?

Not sure which is worse; that ^ or the driver who eventually accelerates when you're half way past them.

 

[E55BOF]

Not sure which is worse; that ^ or the driver who eventually accelerates when you're half way past them.

The one who accelerates. I've often wondered what goes through their minds.

 

[st13phil]

The one who accelerates. I've often wondered what goes through their minds.

In answer to your question, I would postulate "not much". They certainly haven't read rule 168 of the Highway Code:

Rule 168​

Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.​

As for those who drive slow-moving vehicles or wish to travel at low speed (and I include arrogant cyclists in this) and create long queues behind them, I suggest they familiarise themselves with rule 169:

Rule 169​

Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass.​

 

[st13phil]

I've often wondered what goes through their minds.

On that subject, another puzzle:

I'm on a three-lane motorway in lane 2, on cruise at (say) 70mph, overtaking slower traffic in lane 1, but lane 3 is unoccupied and there is no faster traffic approaching in that lane. A car travelling marginally faster than me then pulls up behind me, slows, and proceeds to tailgate. Remember that that lane 3 is clear, with no faster traffic approaching.

After passing the slower traffic in lane 1, I return to that lane while still travelling at the same speed on cruise. The car that was tailgating me remains in lane 2, accelerates and passes me, then slows so that I am travelling faster than them forcing me to either slow down, or cross to lane 3 to overtake them which I do, then return to lane 1.

Then the whole cycle repeats.

Truly baffling.

 

[E55BOF]

The bozo is a Clogger (Centre Lane Owners' Group member), and not concentrating on driving, so just stay in lane one and pull ahead, but keep an eye on the other driver in case he/she does something else stupid until you have. No traffic cop is going to pull you over for doing so in that situation.

Or, of course, just speed up to 85-ish for a while and leave the Clogger behind. I think being in close proximity to another car gives some drivers a warm fuzzy feeling, though they usually seem to prefer to be in a snake of cars in the middle lane while the other two lanes are empty.

 

[Andy500SL]

had a 129 once; a 500. It was dog-slow - bit like yours, only not as slow. I now have a 172..

Is that the hairdresser one ?

Your attempt at a put down is a bit wet.

Some of them are mean-spirited, self-righteous, meraly-mouthed smug prigs who don't want to go fast and don't see why anyone else should want to either. Ring any bells?

Turn that around: Some of them are mean-spirited, self-righteous, meally-mouthed smug prigs who want to go fast and don't see why anyone else should get in their way. Ring any bells?

some of us like to make progress, and I'm one of them, and I'm quite good at it; practice makes perfect

You're "quite good at it" are you ? In who's opinion - yours ?

My brother spent the majority of his Police career as a traffic cop and a good portion of that time as trainer for traffic, royal protection squad, firearms etc. etc. He alway found that new trainees who thought they were "quite good" weren't. In fact they were usually quite the opposite - inept, incompetent or as he put it, "useless fekkers". He enjoyed taking them apart and teaching them how it should be done. Some never could grasp it though.

If somebody who wants to go faster than I do comes up behind me, I'll move over and let them go by. If it's you, I'll let you go by, but it never will be, will it?

Again, you're making assumptions - you've no idea how skilled I am. (Two trophies in the cabinet btw). You also assume I'll be in my SL enjoying a relaxing cruise when I'm more likely to be in one of my other cars (in particular the one built in Munich so getting past you won't be a problem).

Anyway, at the end of the day these Slow Horses aren't going slowly because they enjoy doing so,or because it's good fun to wind up wannabe road heroes in Barbie cars, it's because it's their job. They'd much rather be enjoying the open road at a decent speed in something more desirable than a tractor. Live and let live (and they might let you past).

 

[HappytalkAgain]

Anyway, at the end of the day these Slow Horses aren't going slowly because they enjoy doing so,or because it's good fun to wind up wannabe road heroes in Barbie cars, it's because it's their job. They'd much rather be enjoying the open road at a decent speed in something more desirable than a tractor. Live and let live (and they might let you past).

Totally agree with that ^^^.

They’re just doing their thing. Not being spiteful or smug, just a job.

 

[E55BOF]

Is that the hairdresser one ?

Your attempt at a put down is a bit wet.

Turn that around: Some of them are mean-spirited, self-righteous, meally-mouthed smug prigs who want to go fast and don't see why anyone else should get in their way. Ring any bells?


You're "quite good at it" are you ? In who's opinion - yours ?

My brother spent the majority of his Police career as a traffic cop and a good portion of that time as trainer for traffic, royal protection squad, firearms etc. etc. He alway found that new trainees who thought they were "quite good" weren't. In fact they were usually quite the opposite - inept, incompetent or as he put it, "useless fekkers". He enjoyed taking them apart and teaching them how it should be done. Some never could grasp it though.


Again, you're making assumptions - you've no idea how skilled I am. (Two trophies in the cabinet btw). You also assume I'll be in my SL enjoying a relaxing cruise when I'm more likely to be in one of my other cars (in particular the one built in Munich so getting past you won't be a problem).

Anyway, at the end of the day these Slow Horses aren't going slowly because they enjoy doing so,or because it's good fun to wind up wannabe road heroes in Barbie cars, it's because it's their job. They'd much rather be enjoying the open road at a decent speed in something more desirable than a tractor. Live and let live (and they might let you past).

Read your original post again and see how it comes across. I'm not even slightly convinced by your latest effort, I'm afraid, though your one disciple seems to be.

We can agree on one thing, though. If you ever want to pass me (as if...), well, as I said and you quoted: "If somebody who wants to go faster than I do comes up behind me, I'll move over and let them go by". Fill your boots, sunshine...

 

[Meldrew2]

... or the driver who eventually accelerates when you're half way past them.

Some drivers are not too good at keeping a constant speed, and judge their speed by reference to objects around them instead of the engine note (or possibly the big dial on their dashboard).

They are used to matching the speed of the car in front, and when a car comes alongside, moving quicker, they get confused and think they are slowing down. In general, these seem to be the drivers who speed up when you are passing without much speed differential (for instance those travelling at 46 in a 50 with average speed cameras or those travelling at 65 on a motorway) .

 

[Pontoneer]

Anybody carrying out paid work should not be allowed to ride around on L plates, traffic wardens also do it!!

I'm not convinced that someone on L plates can get business use on their insurance - I suspect many of these learner moped riders will not be properly insured .

 

[Tonygw]

I like to drive as fast as I am allowed to all of the time. I bought a car to get from A-B as fast as possible not as slow as I can or to bimble about in. If I am not in a hurry I will cycle or walk.

Although cycling is so damn dangerous I try to avoid it these days.