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Insurance invalid if caught smoking?

crockers said:
Very good -

But one could say - what if I'm not talking on a mobile just listening.....

Bottom line is its illegal.

As for smoking - has it actually been made illegal? But if one thinks about it in all seriousness - you are driving with a lighted device in your hand - if a tip drops off into your lap what is your first reaction? Perhaps smoking could be deemed more dangerous than using a hand held phone whilst driving.

I can see why this makes people feel that their personal libities are being infringed - but what about the poor people that get hit whilst the driver scrambles to get the hot tip out of their laps...

I suppose I am just in the minority here as I feel strongly that smoking whilst driving is dangerous and should be banned. Oh well at least we can voice our differences here with decorum and good grace.:bannana:
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Actually... if its a two-way radio (the type that only one party can speak at any one time...) its quite legal! Scary that...
 
c240yaz said:
Because it seems to be one new law after another. So why now, and not 20 years ago ? Is there a logical answer to that ?
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It's called progress, civilisation.
People come to recognise issues and find ways to resolve them. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. That how we got rid of slavery, child labour, bear baiting and so on.
There will always be resistance to change but usually most people come to recognise the benefits.
For example, in the short time since the Scottish smoking_in_public_ban heart and lung disease have shown a marked improvement. Surely this offsets any job losses it may have caused.
My guess is that smoking while driving will be eventually banned altogether. For good reason too.
 
Fandango said:
It's called progress, civilisation.
People come to recognise issues and find ways to resolve them. There is nothing inherently wrong with that. That how we got rid of slavery, child labour, bear baiting and so on.
There will always be resistance to change but usually most people come to recognise the benefits.
For example, in the short time since the Scottish smoking_in_public_ban heart and lung disease have shown a marked improvement. Surely this offsets any job losses it may have caused.
My guess is that smoking while driving will be eventually banned altogether. For good reason too.
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Oh ok, now I understand. Thanks.
 
Hmmm... Isn't nicotine a drug?

If it is a drug then isn't the smoker "driving under its influence"?
 
What about changing a CD or changing radio stations ? Surely this can also be classed as very dangerous ?

How can be one be driving with full care and attention if your changing a CD. You mind or eyes are not on the road while doing this.
 
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c240yaz said:
What about changing a CD or changing radio stations ? Surely this can also be classed as very dangerous ?
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Thats correct.

Which is why technically thats also an offence, just as is talking on the mobile phone, an officer can pull you up for it under the same offence.

MV8.
 
I stopped smoking last year but habitually smoked, while driving, for years and years. I even rolled cigarettes, while driving, when going through my handrolling stage.

The likelyhood of a lit ash falling onto my clothes was reasonable, since it happened in and out of cars, and it wasn't such an event as to affect any driving maneuver.

On the other hand, before the mobile ban, I did use the phone whilst driving and have to admit it could be distracting at times and I can see how that could be a danger.
 
crockers said:
Very good -

But one could say - what if I'm not talking on a mobile just listening.....

Bottom line is its illegal.

As for smoking - has it actually been made illegal? But if one thinks about it in all seriousness - you are driving with a lighted device in your hand - if a tip drops off into your lap what is your first reaction? Perhaps smoking could be deemed more dangerous than using a hand held phone whilst driving.......
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This is all very well, but how often has this happened where it has contributed to an accident? As opposed say to a wasp flying into the car (should we make open windows illegal, or better still wasps) or a child screaming in the back seat because his brother has poked him in the eye (yep, make children illegal, I'm all for that :D ) or picking your nose and getting a sudden nosebleed.... (not that I would ever :crazy: ). I smoked for a goodly number of years (thankfully not for the past 20!) and don't recall any occasion where the tip dropped into my lap, or indeed inside the car.

Though I'm now militantly anti smoking, I'm beginning to feel sorry for smokers, it's the big stick all the time, no carrot whatsoever. I also recognise the fact that the government has to let people be adults, though this seems to be beyond the present lot. I gave up smoking as it was bad for me, put on weight as one does and was told by the doctor he'd rather have me fat than smoking. Now I'm told that obesity is a greater risk to the country than smoking and terrorism put together. Beware, next it will be illegal to drive while obese, then drive while thinking of other things (thought monitors are just around the corner). As the bigots deal with one thing, they need to have something else to move onto and before you know it, we're all affected!
 
R2e said:
This is all very well, but how often has this happened where it has contributed to an accident? As opposed say to a wasp flying into the car (should we make open windows illegal, or better still wasps) or a child screaming in the back seat because his brother has poked him in the eye (yep, make children illegal, I'm all for that :D ) or picking your nose and getting a sudden nosebleed.... (not that I would ever :crazy: ). I smoked for a goodly number of years (thankfully not for the past 20!) and don't recall any occasion where the tip dropped into my lap, or indeed inside the car.

Though I'm now militantly anti smoking, I'm beginning to feel sorry for smokers, it's the big stick all the time, no carrot whatsoever. I also recognise the fact that the government has to let people be adults, though this seems to be beyond the present lot. I gave up smoking as it was bad for me, put on weight as one does and was told by the doctor he'd rather have me fat than smoking. Now I'm told that obesity is a greater risk to the country than smoking and terrorism put together. Beware, next it will be illegal to drive while obese, then drive while thinking of other things (thought monitors are just around the corner). As the bigots deal with one thing, they need to have something else to move onto and before you know it, we're all affected!
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Some fair points -

Children - yea i agree make them illegal....lol...But I do think if you caused an accident because the children were fighting and you turned to sort them out -- "driving without due care and attention".

Picking your nose - hmmmm....."bloody" filthy habit.

Wasps - natural causes.... act of god (lets ban him?)...

But I will stick to my views on smoking and driving - sorry...I understand others disagreeing with me - that is the joy of living in a free society whereby one can voice one's views. But I think it should be banned - also I am sick of seeing fag ends flying out of cars with sparks everywhere...( I know its illegal as it is littering..)
 
So what's next. No more manual gearboxes, auto's only so that there is no excuse for not having both hands all the wheel at all times.
I do admit that I commit the most henus crime of all, I drive my cars, I pay my road tax, I even have insurance and have them serviced regularly and mot'd, I even pay for my fuel when I fill up. I know I am really a bad boy.
I also smoke, blow my nose with a hankerchief, scratch my er' ears and listen to music and on occasions I even put my feet up on the other seat. Although the latter tends to only happen when I have sat for an hour on the M25 with the engine switched off.
I do admit and I am 100% guilty of being a petrol head. It is an addiction that I have had ever since I was born. The first word I ever spoke was car (you ask my mum). So as I am an addict should the government be starting a program to help us poor unfortunate people with free track days, an enzo, zonda or veyron for being a good driver for a week. I would vote for that.
 
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graeme73s said:
So what's next. No more manual gearboxes, auto's only so that there is no excuse for not having both hands all the wheel at all times.
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Do you seriously think changing gear with a hand is the same as holding a cigarette to your mouth (with its inherent dangers) or drinking from a can which involves the tilting of a head at the same time and perhaps losing eye contact with the road -

If so I am surprised ....................
 
crockers said:
Do you seriously think changing gear with a hand is the same as holding a cigarette to your mouth (with its inherent dangers) or drinking from a can which involves the tilting of a head at the same time and perhaps losing eye contact with the road -

If so I am surprised ....................
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crockers as your avatar says life's a gamble. Did I say that I drank from a can NO or did I imply that I drank whilst driving. As it happens I drink a cup of tea from a very large mug on my way to work each morning. As I have smoked for the past 30 years currently 50 a day I have carefully honed my skills to avoid setting light to myself whilst driving. I think that you'll find that there are far worst dangers out there on the road.
p.s. I never smoke until I have finished my mug of tea but I am very capable of steering with my knee ;).
 
What about the police drivers they are not always accompanied and they talk on the radio whilst driving plus switch on the camera and blue lights or the bus drivers that talk whilst carrying 50 pax? Its nearly time for the fight back methinks. Society has been stuffed by all the do gooders and their stupid ideas. The people who are hit worst are the law abiding citizens cos the unruly car thieves and crims don't give a damn. How can you give someone who hasn't got a license in the first place a ban or penalty points?
 
Maybe smokers should be tested whilst smoking? That way the ones that can't will be weened out and not given a licence until they can handle a car. Granted it can be an addiction and granted there are good smoking drivers but we should be targeting the bad drivers smokers.

Rather than hitting the majority for a minority of peoples' actions get the right people off the road and let accidents be accidents rather than mistakes!

Btw im not a fan of smoking but i think its far fetched to ban it for people doing it in thier own car.
 
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