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Jag XF

gary350

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Anyone else like the new XF, just got trhe brochures today looks nice. I have been looking to change my SLK350 for a 4/5 seat and am not too keen on the current crop of MBs, BMWs and Audis been there done it, the XF might just fill the gap unless all the hype is rubbish.

gary
 
Yep, i know where you're coming from. I've always had a soft spot for jag's - I used to have an XKR, now I have an AMG. They're both great cars in their own way.

The XF looks great. When will they be available?
 
The XF looks great. When will they be available?

Now! work round the corner from the plant and i see them every day - i like them i must say. the reviews have been great too. whether this will persuade the world to stop buying german premium cars i dont know.
 
I'm still not sure. I have seen one on the road now, I don't like the front, the rest looks nice, especially the rear (quite Aston - my opinion from looking like a Mondeo has improved somewhat!)

Re: this thread, my dad is still undecided as he hasn't ordered yet :eek:
 
it's a poor combination of Lexus,Audi,and the 3 series BMW to look at, no real identity and not inspirational at all ...another poor flop to add to the list .....the only redeeming factor is the rising gear Dial, but you would soon get fed up with that ....... yes business car of the year and all that but tbh a bit pricey for a Ford .....with all that left over switch gear .
 
it's a poor combination of Lexus,Audi,and the 3 series BMW to look at, no real identity and not inspirational at all ...another poor flop to add to the list .....the only redeeming factor is the rising gear Dial, but you would soon get fed up with that ....... yes business car of the year and all that but tbh a bit pricey for a Ford .....with all that left over switch gear .

There's a group test in this weeks Autocar mag. The XF 2.7D wins the same as it did in the What Car test.
I would rate them overall

1)XF
2)BMW 530D
3)E280 CDI
4)Lexus GS
5)Audi A6 3.0 Tdi

I've driven them all bar the GS. In terms of driving the Audi is miles behind.

adam
 
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When I was looking at pre release specs, the Jag engines weren't as efficient and the cars slower than the German offerings - is that still the case?

Have to say I liked the look of it on the road, better than in pictures.

Mike
 
I still maintain that the interior style is not as adventurous as it could be....sure - nice materials and lighting, but the layout of the screen and vents is pure Vauxhall Vectra (which by the looks of the next version 'insignia' will have a more interesting cabin than the Jag) :eek:

RD6 concept car was more like it!
 
Now! work round the corner from the plant and i see them every day - i like them i must say. the reviews have been great too. whether this will persuade the world to stop buying german premium cars i dont know.


It seems to me that every new Jaguar gets rave reviews. Then after a few years, all the motoring journalists agree that they are crap, and always were.

This was true of the X Class and the S Class. If you read about them now, the journalists tell you that they were never any good. But when they were new, they were raving about them.

Perhaps the journalists feel they have an obligation to say that every new Jaguar is the model that will save the company. After all, the company has completely lost its way, and it certainly needs saving.

The new XF is the latest model that will save the company, so can we safely assume that two or three years from now, all the journalists will agree that it was never any good?
 
Yep, i know where you're coming from. I've always had a soft spot for jag's - I used to have an XKR, now I have an AMG. They're both great cars in their own way.

The XF looks great. When will they be available?

Sometime in March, waiting for the dealer to get back to me, they said 5 mins and its been 45mins but I am used to all that my last 2 cars have been mercs.

gary
 
The new XF is the latest model that will save the company, so can we safely assume that two or three years from now, all the journalists will agree that it was never any good?

Its started quite well against all its German opposition, left them for dead so to speak, the X and S never did that.

Never liked Jags much but this one has me going a wee bit.

gary
 
It's certainly a nice looking beast and the interior looks pleasingly different from the class-norm. I can't help thinking that they've got their pricing a bit wrong though, with a need to attract buyers back to the marque for all the reasons others have stated above to have a base price that is above all the direct competition:

A6: £25K
5-Series: £28.9K
GS: £31.6K
E-Class: £30.2K
Jag: £33.7K

I realise that the Jag maybe doesn't have a smaller-engined entry-level model like Audi, BMW and Merc but that just means that fleet managers wont be adding them to their lists and I'm certain that Jag's historical residual values will scare private buyers off from this level of investment.
 
I can't help thinking that they've got their pricing a bit wrong though, with a need to attract buyers back to the marque for all the reasons others have stated above to have a base price that is above all the direct competition:

A6: £25K
5-Series: £28.9K
GS: £31.6K
E-Class: £30.2K
Jag: £33.7K

I realise that the Jag maybe doesn't have a smaller-engined entry-level model like Audi, BMW and Merc but that just means that fleet managers wont be adding them to their lists and I'm certain that Jag's historical residual values will scare private buyers off from this level of investment.

It's got a better base spec that the competition (I've just been looking too) - for example you get leather and sat-nav as standard. Adding that to the Benz is the best part of £3k. Plus the only availability at the mo is the 2.7 - the E280 Avantgarde is £34,875 (fresh off the site), and the A6 2.7 is £31k and a very poor base spec.

Price-wise it's pitched about right - however my company car quote has the E-class £100/mth less than the XF so looks as if the past performance on residuals is having a big effect.
 
Anyone else like the new XF, just got trhe brochures today looks nice. I have been looking to change my SLK350 for a 4/5 seat and am not too keen on the current crop of MBs, BMWs and Audis been there done it, the XF might just fill the gap unless all the hype is rubbish.

gary

I really like the car and if I had the money and the need for that type of car it would seriously consider it.

The other marques may do certain things better but the new Jag will make a welcome change from latest crop of Mer-bim-dis!

Even though its easy to be sceptical about everyone raving about the new Jaguar, Evo magazine also have high praise for the car and Evo magazine is always a tough one to please and isn't scared to go against popular opinion (see age old Focus RS argument).
 
Its started quite well against all its German opposition, left them for dead so to speak, the X and S never did that.

Never liked Jags much but this one has me going a wee bit.



It hasn't left anyone for dead yet! All we have had is the usual motor magazine hype about yet another new model from Jaguar. Two or three years from now, all the same motoring journalists who are praising it now will be saying that it was never any good. Mark my words!

The design is anonymous, looking nothing like a Jaguar should. And I don't mean it should look like the dreadful S Type it replaces, because it doesn't have to look like an *old* Jaguar. It's just that the XF is so anonymous, you could put a Toyota badge on it, or almost any US brand.

Anyone interested in the XF should wait a year for the inevitable problems to emerge, then consider whether those problems are worth living with. By then, it will no longer be new, and the hype in the motor magazines will have diminished somewhat.

To me, there is absolutely nothing about the XF that suggests "Jaguar". The front end design is simply awful, with those peculiarly shaped lights and a grille that looks like an afterthought because it doesn't fit the shape of the car. Nothing else about the car is in any way distinctive. It appears to me a thoroughly incompetent design, lacking the grace and beauty that the brand is known for.

William Lyons will be spinning in his grave.
 
To me, there is absolutely nothing about the XF that suggests "Jaguar". The front end design is simply awful, with those peculiarly shaped lights and a grille that looks like an afterthought because it doesn't fit the shape of the car. Nothing else about the car is in any way distinctive. It appears to me a thoroughly incompetent design, lacking the grace and beauty that the brand is known for.

William Lyons will be spinning in his grave.

The car industry has changed a great deal since the days of William Lyons and every manufacturer needs to make money to survive rather than concentrate on retaining a heritage that most potential buys care little about.

Once a manufacturer has a cash cow it can then go fourth and recapture some of its history and heritage with a niche model.

I'd rather see Jaguar live to fight another day with a model that does the job rather than collapse under the weight of a beautiful failure that captures the essence of it’s past.
 
It hasn't left anyone for dead yet! All we have had is the usual motor magazine hype about yet another new model from Jaguar. Two or three years from now, all the same motoring journalists who are praising it now will be saying that it was never any good. Mark my words!

The design is anonymous, looking nothing like a Jaguar should. And I don't mean it should look like the dreadful S Type it replaces, because it doesn't have to look like an *old* Jaguar. It's just that the XF is so anonymous, you could put a Toyota badge on it, or almost any US brand.

Anyone interested in the XF should wait a year for the inevitable problems to emerge, then consider whether those problems are worth living with. By then, it will no longer be new, and the hype in the motor magazines will have diminished somewhat.

To me, there is absolutely nothing about the XF that suggests "Jaguar". The front end design is simply awful, with those peculiarly shaped lights and a grille that looks like an afterthought because it doesn't fit the shape of the car. Nothing else about the car is in any way distinctive. It appears to me a thoroughly incompetent design, lacking the grace and beauty that the brand is known for.

William Lyons will be spinning in his grave.

You are way behind the times have a look at some of the reliablity surveys and JD power lists Jaguar have passed MB which did not need much doing although the newer MB models are doing a bit better.
I can not agree on your comments on the design its a cracker. It was launched on Feb 8th so I have been told, my local dealer has one on display.

gary
 
The car industry has changed a great deal since the days of William Lyons and every manufacturer needs to make money to survive rather than concentrate on retaining a heritage that most potential buys care little about.

Once a manufacturer has a cash cow it can then go fourth and recapture some of its history and heritage with a niche model.

I'd rather see Jaguar live to fight another day with a model that does the job rather than collapse under the weight of a beautiful failure that captures the essence of it’s past.


I think you have completely missed the point. Perhaps you should have read what I wrote before replying? The last thing Jaguar needs is another niche model that harks back to the past - the S-Type was just that, and it has been a disaster.

Over the years, the best of William Lyons' Jaguars were iconic, thoroughly modern designs that didn't imitate the past, but were still undeniably Jaguars. They were also commercially successful.

Think of the original SS Jaguar, the Mark II, the D/E-Type and the XJ6. All were iconic modern designs that sold well and made money. Yet they were all classic Jaguars, all linked by a certain image that the XF certainly does not have.

Without an image, the bland XF - however competent - will be outsold many times over by its competitors, all of which have an identifiable image while also being thoroughly modern and competitive designs.
 

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