Jag XF

[fuzzer]

and there is the issue with their possible new indian owners

 

[chriswt]

I think you have completely missed the point. Perhaps you should have read what I wrote before replying?

Please, a bit of forum etiquette would be nice, I'm not knocking what you're saying, after all it is only your opinion and one that you are entitled to have.

When I mention a niche model I mean a car like the new XK which has been well received.

Jaguar were building poor cars nearly 30 years ago and so the company needs to move forward and make money. The longer its in business the longer it has a change to build on its image and create more 'Jaguar' cars in the future.

 

[gary350]

If you are that good at foretelling the future give me six numbers for next weeks lottery please.
Give it a rest I am not interested in any other jag old or newish apart from the XF, what may happen to one car may not happen to another, if that were true then I doubt whether there would be anyone making cars today, they have all had horrors I know I bought some of them.

gary

 

[TonyVianoAmbiente]

If you are that good at foretelling the future give me six numbers for next weeks lottery please.

If the XF isn't outsold by at least two to one in the UK market over the next two years by the BMW 5 Series, I will eat my hat.

 

[big x]

, lacking the grace and beauty that the brand is known for.

William Lyons will be spinning in his grave.

Jaguar are currently sending out reprints of the Whatcar test with brochure requests. Compare the side profile pictures which are all from the same angle and it's surprising how dumpy the BMW and MB look.The Jaguar looks very svelte in comparison.
The only awkward aspect is the headlight lip. The concept wasn't like that and it's my understanding is headlight legislation is to blame.The indicators must now be visible from the side.I've played around in Photoshop and the facelift car could fix this problem by lowering it 50%.

adam

 

[big x]

Interesting. What about the others ? 530d ?

I think the 530D has the best engine but the Jag the best gearbox.It's a ZF like the BMW but smoother.The Jag diesel is also very smooth.It's a shame Jag couldn't afford to make the XF with an alloy body.
The Merc has the most airy feeling cabin and largest glass area.
The Jag is snug as Jags should be and the interior reminds me of classic Danish furniture design if you choose the plainer woods. So much better than the bland Audi and ugly BMW interiors.
The ride and noise of the Audi make the car feel dated although well made.
The run flats cause the ride of the BMW to crash over rough roads.
The Jag and Mercedes for me are the most balanced cars all round.
The weakness of the Jag is the smaller petrol V6's which are well short of the Germans IMHO.

adam

 

[Natalie]

A beautiful car, superb engineering, stealth at it's best with sheer class, a real head turner. If I had disposable cash, I'd be ordering one. Sheer class.

 

[gary350]

Saw my first live one today these are first impressions
1. Its bigger than you think.
2. The rear which I expected to look like an Aston does not, in fact ir has a bit of a fat ar$e.
3. The lights which I thought would be its worst feature were not bad and suited the car.
4. My overall impression is that it looks like a Honda Accord/Mazda 6/Lexus IS on steroids.
5. The garage had 2 cars the one in the showroom was in silver looked nice but it was one of the big V8s and did not look like its price tag £60K.

Will I buy one well I went through the whole part exchange bit and the deal offered was much worse than MB had offered on a very high spec E Class yes I know the jag is new and the E is getting close to a new model but its still an MB.

gary

 

[Gucci]

Auto Express showed a coupe version which looked pretty good. I think Jaguar needs to 'do an Audi'. By that I mean before the A4, the 80, 100 models etc were seen as smart, solid and understated, but not really appreciated. The A4 came along and freshened the brand up, then the TT gave it a real boost. Jag really needs a younger model like a TT or SLK to get people to look differently at the brand I think.

 

[gl boy]

Saw my first live one today these are first impressions
1. Its bigger than you think.
2. The rear which I expected to look like an Aston does not, in fact ir has a bit of a fat ar$e.
3. The lights which I thought would be its worst feature were not bad and suited the car.
4. My overall impression is that it looks like a Honda Accord/Mazda 6/Lexus IS on steroids.
5. The garage had 2 cars the one in the showroom was in silver looked nice but it was one of the big V8s and did not look like its price tag £60K.

Will I buy one well I went through the whole part exchange bit and the deal offered was much worse than MB had offered on a very high spec E Class yes I know the jag is new and the E is getting close to a new model but its still an MB.

gary

they use a lot of mondeo parts bye the looks of them the ones i have seen look like they also heve the old mondeo st i wheels on them ...but must say great drive and good loaded car

 

[MikeL]

Doing something right




While the pending sale of Jaguar might have taken some of the attention away from their newest models, it appears the company has hit the sweet spot with the XF. Currently 10,000 deposits have been placed globally with 3,000 from the United States alone. Not bad considering Jaguar has yet to start an advertising campaign or make models available for consumer test drives.

I'm tempted, just sort those petrol engines out.

Mike

 

[grober]

Chavtastic

What they don't show you in the carefully angled publicity shots is the new JAGUAR "styling feature"-- the faux vertical brake ventilation slot behind the front wheel arch. Completely ruins the sophistication of an otherwise good looking car IMHO ----Chavtastic!

If I have to choose I'll take the model in red thanks.

 

[whizzkid11]

While the pending sale of Jaguar might have taken some of the attention away from their newest models, it appears the company has hit the sweet spot with the XF. Currently 10,000 deposits have been placed globally with 3,000 from the United States alone. Not bad considering Jaguar has yet to start an advertising campaign or make models available for consumer test drives.

I'm tempted, just sort those petrol engines out.

Mike

Definitely doing something right - 2 out of 3 aint bad at all...

As for the car - the front is too Hyundai (with a bit of Volvo) for my liking - but love the rest of the car in terms of features and build quality.

 

[gary350]

Another thought unless you choose a light interior the wood options are not great, the silver black interior I saw had rich oak and another gentleman having a look around said it reminded him of the plastic wood they used to stick on fridges in the 60s.

gary

 

[MikeL]

I know I've said this before, but the front looks really good in the flesh, on the road - the car that is! It has real presence.

Mike

 

[clegsr]

Test drove a 2.7 Diesel XF the other day, looks great in dark metallic grey, great ride, smoother than the 320 CLS CDI I test drove a few weeks ago, and felt just as quick.

Interior was also nice with a large boot and folding rear seats as standard.

I though it was very well priced compared to the CLS

I specced an XF up with rear cameras, heated seats 18inch alloys etc and got to £38K (from the Diesel Luxury), the same spec 320CLS CDi was £49K...

The expected residuals in the diesel XF start making sense at that difference..

...and it looks great!

 

[crockers]

Leaving Mercedes to buy a Jaguar............then we will have to say TATA to you and wish you well...:bannana:

 

[gary350]

TaTa also bought Tetley tea and the steel giant Corus, how diverse is that. They are also behind the £1.2K motor car, a car for the people, I thought that was VW.

gary

 

[hawk20]

It hasn't left anyone for dead yet! All we have had is the usual motor magazine hype about yet another new model from Jaguar. Two or three years from now, all the same motoring journalists who are praising it now will be saying that it was never any good. Mark my words!

The design is anonymous, looking nothing like a Jaguar should. And I don't mean it should look like the dreadful S Type it replaces, because it doesn't have to look like an *old* Jaguar. It's just that the XF is so anonymous, you could put a Toyota badge on it, or almost any US brand.

Anyone interested in the XF should wait a year for the inevitable problems to emerge, then consider whether those problems are worth living with. By then, it will no longer be new, and the hype in the motor magazines will have diminished somewhat.

To me, there is absolutely nothing about the XF that suggests "Jaguar". The front end design is simply awful, with those peculiarly shaped lights and a grille that looks like an afterthought because it doesn't fit the shape of the car. Nothing else about the car is in any way distinctive. It appears to me a thoroughly incompetent design, lacking the grace and beauty that the brand is known for.

William Lyons will be spinning in his grave.

Wise words. I agree with all your thoughts. The looks are such that they could be any make from Hyundai to Kia to Mazda. Just put your finger over the Jag badge in posting number 33 and i think you will see what I mean. Residuals will be the usual awful level that killed off most of the previous Jags. Sad really.

 

[recycled]

I like it but that rotary gear switch is just looking to go wrong.