Kia Optima

[d w124]

Another thread turned to petrol VS diesel and all this over a [S-TAG]KIA[/S-TAG]

 

[Dieselman]

I agree that Kia are right to bow to the wishes of the majority if they want to make money by being boring. It's a totally sound business model. My reference to MaccyD's was merely a tongue-in-cheek dig at all the other irrelevant 'facts' that get thrown into these discussions. Hence my closing remark:

Your analogy actually did a good job of bolstering the reasoning and case that kia have.

How much Caviar would McDonalds sell? Not a lot, so they don't have it in their sales portfolio.

If they realistically thought they could sell it, they would, but like Kia, they know the market.

Of course, Kia also have the smug advantage in knowing that whereas caviar is of greater quality than a Big Mac burger, Kia know the product they are marketing is better.

 

[Dieselman]

Another thread turned to petrol VS diesel and all this over a [S-TAG]KIA[/S-TAG]

What do you expect from the C63 mob.

What then amazes me is that after slagging off everyone else for driving a diesel, saying they only do it because they are too poor to drive a petrol, like He does...He then admits that he drives a diesel...because he's too poor to drive his C63 as a daily car.

FFS...

Load gun, take safety off, point at foot, pull trigger.

 

[st4]

What do you expect from the C63 mob.

What then amazes me is that after slagging off everyone else for driving a diesel, saying they only do it because they are too poor to drive a petrol, like He does...He then admits that he drives a diesel...because he's too poor to drive his C63 as a daily car.

FFS...

My C220cdi gives me all the joy of running a C class without the expense of having to run a small car as well.

 

[d w124]

What do you expect from the C63 mob.

What then amazes me is that after slagging off everyone else for driving a diesel, saying they only do it because they are too poor to drive a petrol, like He does...He then admits that he drives a diesel...because he's too poor to drive his C63 as a daily car.

FFS...

Load gun, take safety off, point at foot, pull trigger.

I think he is only upset because his application for entering the FAMOUS 5 got refused

 

[Dieselman]

I think he is only upset because his application for entering the FAMOUS 5 got refused

The bit I don't get is that he has a particularly showy tantrum post, saying he's out of the thread...then keeps posting.

Perhaps he'd been sniffing petrol and was a bit unbalanced?

 

[BigSilverEstate]

My C220cdi gives me all the joy of running a C class without the expense of having to run a small car as well.

it is a small car though ;-)

Isn't the thing that if you need to run two cars, you might as well use the one that is better on fuel for the daily stuff and use the one that is fun for the fun stuff. Must be rare for a car to be so juicy on fuel that it justifies the expense of owning a second car that you wouldn't otherwise have.

 

[st4]

I think he is only upset because his application for entering the FAMOUS 5 got refused

What is this famous five?

 

[st4]

it is a small car though ;-)

. Must be rare for a car to be so juicy on fuel that it justifies the expense of owning a second car that you wouldn't otherwise have.

Very, and I bet with a bit of maths, its actually cheaper just to run the one gasser. Or buy the one car you want and can afford to run, err, like a C350cdi.

 

[Dieselman]

???

 

[d w124]

What is this famous five?

It`s something a group of people on the forum came up with

 

[st4]

It`s something a group of people on the forum came up with

So more conjecture, mythical legend and hot air.

Nothing new then

 

[Deleted member 65149]

What is this famous five?

It's a group of young children in a series of novels written by Enid Blyton; two boys, two girls and a dog. So this is correct:

It`s something a group of people on the forum came up with

Make up your own mind which is which!

 

[MrVix]

it is a small car though ;-)

Isn't the thing that if you need to run two cars, you might as well use the one that is better on fuel for the daily stuff and use the one that is fun for the fun stuff. Must be rare for a car to be so juicy on fuel that it justifies the expense of owning a second car that you wouldn't otherwise have.

I think if you do the maths with my mileage of 40 to 50k your theory would not stack up. You need to look at the depreciation of the larger vehicle as well as the fuel and general running cost. What would the value of a 150k c63 be in 3 years?

In reply to diesel man I could afford to run the C63 to the moon and back every year but it seems such a waste to use it as a motorway tool. In addition it does not sit very well with guys that work for me turning up on a building site in an expensive car when some of them may be struggling financially.

On a final note Dieselman is there any chance of being a little less agressive and rude. Just because we have differing opinions does not mean we cant be civil, I will try if you do

 

[Deleted member 65149]

Of course, Kia also have the smug advantage in knowing that whereas caviar is of greater quality than a Big Mac burger, Kia know the product they are marketing is better.

It all depends on what measures you're using for 'quality' and 'better'. As much as I like caviar and dislike Big Macs, I'd chose the latter as the better way to cure my hunger whilst also being cheaper; a superior product in such circumstances and thus deserving a 'greater quality' tag.

Bugger, I think I've nearly gone and agreed with you there

 

[BigSilverEstate]

I think if you do the maths with my mileage of 40 to 50k your theory would not stack up. You need to look at the depreciation of the larger vehicle as well as the fuel and general running cost. What would the value of a 150k c63 be in 3 years?

Fair nuff For very high mileage it may well work out cheaper. I was actually being supportive of the principle of using a second, cheaper car for the boring everyday driving. We run two cars though it makes no economic sense at all for the miles we do, because my wife wanted to get back into driving but was intimidated by the E class. I now use her (slow and noisy) Audi for most of my tootling around town with the kids in order to protect my car from this 'unhealthy' style of driving and protect the residuals.

 

[MrVix]

Fair nuff For very high mileage it may well work out cheaper. I was actually being supportive of the principle of using a second, cheaper car for the boring everyday driving. We run two cars though it makes no economic sense at all for the miles we do, because my wife wanted to get back into driving but was intimidated by the E class. I now use her (slow and noisy) Audi for most of my tootling around town with the kids in order to protect my car from this 'unhealthy' style of driving and protect the residuals.

I agree. I also think it is a shame and a waste to use a car like a c63 for boring day to day motorway hauls. I work hard all week and do loads of mileage in the Skoda, it does the job but it is nice at the weekends to get behind the wheel of the C63 or even the GFs mini cooper s. As st says I could buy a c350d and I am sure it would do an admirable job but I would never enjoy it. IMO there are two types of driving the, the boring stuff and the enjoyable stuff and the latter has to be done in a petrol.

 

[V12]

In that case we all agree that diesels have their place. They are practical on the road.
If you want a weekend toy or to track day your car, get a petrol...

Is that a reasonable summary? Haha.

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[MrVix]

In that case we all agree that diesels have their place. They are practical on the road.
If you want a weekend toy or to track day your car, get a petrol...

Is that a reasonable summary? Haha.

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Essentially yes V12. My point from day 1 was that the diesel is cheaper to run over high mileages but is less enjoyable to drive. Lets face it the vast majority of Audis, Mercs and BMWs are 4 pot diesels that have been company purchased because of the tax relief. People would be stupid to buy differently, my point is if the tax breaks were level would there still be a load of 4 pot diesel execs on the road, I doubt it

 

[Deleted member 11979]

Essentially yes V12. My point from day 1 was that the diesel is cheaper to run over high mileages but is less enjoyable to drive. Lets face it the vast majority of Audis, Mercs and BMWs are 4 pot diesels that have been company purchased because of the tax relief. People would be stupid to buy differently, my point is if the tax breaks were level would there still be a load of 4 pot diesel execs on the road, I doubt it

You entirely miss the point that for most people there is not a lot of money left at the end of the month, and the last thing they want to do with it is spend it at the petrol station, hence the popularity of the 4 pot diesel.

V8's are great, but out of most peoples price range.