Mercedes To Kill Kompressor

[gary350]

Having all that power is not worth the horrific residual value you end up with for having a turbo on the engine. I have had 2 cars that had turbos now, and neither of them were worth a penny when it came time to trade them in :-( (Saab 93 convertible and a Volvo T5) Volvo was the worst as it managed to drop from 37K down to 2k in 6 years Give me a bigger engine over a turbo anyday

My feelings exactly it is size that matters.

gary

 

[Mozzer]

Having owned a twin turbo, I can only say that if I could have a turbo in my car instead of the kompressor, I would be queuing up outside of the garage that was going to do the work right now - and steering from the boot may well be worth it

IMHO the whine of the kompressor engine is nothing compared to the whooshing noise of the turbos and with regard to the reduction in engine size - don't worrry, mine was only a 2.6 litre car, pushing out 380bhp, being able to get 0-60 in just over 5 seconds and having a top speed of 180 miles an hour (168 of which I can vouch for personally ). Just think of that in a car like the SLK weighing half of the skyline - you would need air traffic control clearance to leave your drive

I say bring on the turbos, but I have a feeling these will have a knock on effect to current car values

M

 

[BenzComander]

Not any more take VAG's 1.8T engine the most mass produced turbocharged engine so far ranging from 150Bhp to 225Bhp. Most issues have been with the valves surrounding the turb dump valve ect very few turbos have gone.

Modern oils and the fact that turbos are now water cooled has helped greatly, this stops the oil boiling and turning to ash after the engine is switched off and hence leading to bearing faliure due to oil starvation.

As for the future turbo engines are going to become more common as they give out less CO2 than a N/A engine. The supercharger is great as it has no turbo lag but is slightly more complicated and less efficient than the current crop of turbo's. Hence MB looking more towards turbo power. Even BM has turbo engines on the drawing board for it new 3 series. But the twin pulse will be around for a fair few years yet

My Audi A6 1.8T has just turned 191,000 miles, still on original Turbo, engine and gearbox (Touches wood )
Thinking about doing the 225bhp chip upgrade to chase all those whining Kompressor mercs!! :bannana:

 

[Henry]

I love big capacity and Turbos however don't Turbos have a bad reputation for long term reliability...

Please define "long term reliability".

My W203/220CDI from 2001, has done 180.000miles and is still on the original turbo. Still have a fantastic whine, only problem is that I must open the windows to hear it

 

[glojo]

Please define "long term reliability".

My W203/220CDI from 2001, has done 180.000miles and is still on the original turbo. Still have a fantastic whine, only problem is that I must open the windows to hear it

Me thinks foot has entered mouth for someone. I totally agree with Henry, turbo's now are 'ultra' reliable. Of course everyone knows someone's brother, who knows someone's uncle whose turbo blew up after only 100 miles.

However I would like to point out that most really large HGV's have diesel turbo powered engines and the mileage they cover in 12 months will usually exceed the total mileage the average person achieves during the ownership of their car.

Regarding the power that can be acheived from petrol engines fitted with turbo's. Who remembers the 1980's Formula 1, 1500cc turbo powered engines?? (the arrival of the 'turbo age' of 1.5 litre turbo engines, some of which were producing anything up to 750 bhp / litre)
1200bhp was the norm (one thousand, two hundred) Yes the engine was only designed to last a race, but 1200bhp??

Regards,
320CDI Turbo

 

[corsned]

But aren't turbochargers much less fuel-efficient than superchargers?

 

[jezyg]

But aren't turbochargers much less fuel-efficient than superchargers?

No modern turbochargers are actually more effeicent as engine power is not being used to Compress the air, superchargers always had the advantage of no turbo lag but with the latesr crop VAG 2.0T FSi ther is no perceptible lag.