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Merge in turn?

I just plough on through the cones and use the next mile of empty lane (a magnetic orange beacon may be handy for this one)
 
But seriously, I've never had a big problem not being let in. A ropey 126 trailing debris and undergrowth parts a gap in most traffic. Even in London, its treated with the same respect (or disdain) as the old Nissan Bluebird that sometimes appears parked outside Harrods.
 
I don't get why people get mad when there is an imminent lane closure and people stay in the lanes until it's actually closed. When you first see a sign it is usually c. half a mile - 800 yards. Why should you get into the middle lane at this point? The lane is still open for nearly half a mile. Congestion is caused by drivers getting into formation too early, and this moves the merge point further and further back. Looks to me that signs are going to have to brought into to tell people to Merge because few seem to have the common sense to do it.
 
I don't get why people get mad when there is an imminent lane closure and people stay in the lanes until it's actually closed. When you first see a sign it is usually c. half a mile - 800 yards. Why should you get into the middle lane at this point? The lane is still open for nearly half a mile.

On a few occasions I've seen signs telling drivers to use both lanes up to the point of the lane closure and then to merge in turn, but still most drivers pull into the lane without the closure at the first opportunity and some will straddle the white line to stop drivers obeying the signs and using both lanes. Some people have funny ideas about how you should drive.
Russ
 
The problem with the driving on the video posted by Martin isn't just the pig-headiness of the two drivers unable to merge in turn. The driver of the black car (an ML?!) is clearly far too close to the van in front of it. Why else would they be constantly braking like that? I wonder how long they'd been driving that close. Did they only close up the gap when they saw that the outer two lanes were about to become one and determine that nobody was allowed to get in front of them? Or is that how they, and far too many others, always drive? Whichever it is, it's a worry!
 
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some will straddle the white line to stop drivers obeying the signs and using both lanes.
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Russ

Maybe they have a different interpretation of Use Both Lanes ;)
 
Part of the A55 dual carriageway has been reduced from two to one lane this week.
Advance warning was given at 800 yards and the speed limit reduced to 40m/h.
Those vehicles that had slowed to 40 were simply overtaken by those continuing to drive at 70 almost to the merge point when they simply braked hard and forced their way into the main traffic flow. On several ocassions this led to the law abiding also having to brake and significantly slow following traffic.
Traffic flow would be significantly improved if drivers slowed to 40 when advised to do so.
 
I wont get upset....i just wont let you in!
You won't have to, 'cos the next guy will.
The same politeness and sense of fair play that gives us our fondness for queuing, also makes it impossible for a fair percentage of drivers not to be decent sorts and let Johnny-queue-jumper in at the last cone ... as long as JQJ displays some decency by not trying to barge in front of anyone.

If he holds back and looks ever so contrite, it won't be long before a Johnny-good-egg lets him into the line.
Like everything else in life, the social lubricant of politeness keeps the wheels turning.

So, none of this discord is necessary in the first place - because JQJ will get to jump the queue while enjoying the satisfaction of knowing that the guy two cars back who most definitely wouldn't have let him in, will be boiling with incandescent rage.
 
If everybody stayed in lane until the constriction.
And everybody allowed merging.
There'd be no problem.

But as soon as people start 'booking' their place by merging in ASAP, they create a sense of entitlement to that 'place in the queue' ... and woe betide anyone who tries to 'steal' a place ahead of them.

Without this unnecessary and erroneous sense of entitlement, there'd be no contention or friction.
It's only the greed of 'position-bookers' that causes the whole ugly stink.
 
A friend who is a traffic engineer told me once that they base all their calculations on drivers using all available lanes right up to the cones, and he was always dismayed to see empty lanes because everyone moved over miles ahead of the actual roadworks.
 
I shall threw my two pence worth...

Merge in turn signs are commonly used on both, permanent and temporary set ups.
In principle, they work quite well.

However, I don't feel there is an issue with signs and what specific information should they display, or not display. The problem lies with individuals, their level of traffic awareness, their driving aptitude, as well as attitude towards fellow drivers.

Have you ever wondered, why at some point you are doing 70mph on a motorway, only to be brought to a complete stop, then crawl at 10mph, through 30mph and back to 70?
In 9 out of 10 cases, this a result of tailgating, a vehicle cutting up another vehicle or similar, unsocial behaviour.

When you brake, so does the car behind you, so does the car behind him and so on. But at some point, way back from the initial vehicle braking another vehicle is brought to complete halt. In practice, few seconds of braking, can actually result in major congestion in that lane, that takes some time to clear up.

Very similar will apply to merging in turn situations. I will use A1m, junction 6 heading north as an example, which some of you will know very well.
Three lanes on the approach, where lane 3 merges with lane 2.

Now, strictly speaking there is nothing wrong with anybody driving as far as P1014 (directional arrow painted on the tarmac) and merge in turn with lane 2.
However, have you noticed that lane 1 always moves much, much quicker than lane 2 and lane 3? You might say, it is simply because lane 2 and 3 merge together, hence bear larger capacity in term of traffic flows.
Well, sorry to disappoint, but no. As a matter of fact, lane 1 has got higher traffic count per minute, than lane 2 and 3 combined.

How is that possible?

If you were to actually watch the traffic at this section of the road from bird view, ideally from CCTV camera located near by, you will see that lane 1 isn't actually carrying the traffic from lane 1 only. Most of local, regular drivers know that they will get quicker through the bottle neck in lane 1 than drivers in lane 2 and/or 3. This means huge number of drivers move over to lane 1 well before the merge in turn section.

And this is the key as to why lane 1 moves a lot quicker. Number of drivers, constantly move over from lane 2 to lane 1, but because it is done in good time, before cut off point, this keeps this lane moving. Yes it is slow pace, but moving nevertheless.

In the meantime, traffic in the lane 2 and lane 3 meet at a particular point where simply, someone has to give in. Problem is, a lot of a time nobody wants to. At this point, traffic is no longer flowing smoothly, it is more of a jerking movement as nobody wants to be mug and give way.

You may be aware that this specific junction is a subject to a major scheme next year. Lane 1 will become a dedicated filter lane coming off completely at junction 6. From that point there will only be two lanes running on the main carriageway.
What this will actually do, is force drivers into correct lane in a timely manner, oppose to uncontrolled cutting in at the very last moment. Of course there will be people driving down lane 1 and changing in the lane 2 at the very last point. But the idea is, that once people get used to the new layout, the traffic flows will improve over time.

In summary, you are not braking the law by driving in the closed lane to the very point of that lane being closed. But by doing so you actually contributing to congestion build up, or worse, putting lives at risk if that closed lane happen to have people working in there.

There was a documentary some time ago that showed just how far back cars have to brake on a road because of a single car braking as you describe. Was pretty eye opening if I recall :eek:
 
Correct me if I am wrong, I believe Merge in Turn in Germany is compulsory.
Traffic congestion is usually caused by speeding and tailgating as posted by one of the members(cinek) already.
Notice how smooth traffic usually goes when there are average speed cameras installed
 
it's commonplace in the USA (in CA anyway) too. Their signs say 'Zip Merge'.
 
it's commonplace in the USA (in CA anyway) too. Their signs say 'Zip Merge'.
Blame the need for this sign in the UK, on the urge to form queues.
Usually, queueing serves to create order - but as ever, the Mr. Angry brigade just enjoy the opportunity it provides to indulge their passive-aggression.
 
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Heading from the M2 slip onto the M25 today (Dartford Crossing bound) This is a two lane slip that is clearly marked a 50mph and narrpwing to a single lane to join the M25. The slip takes a long 90 right hand bend before becoming a single lane.

Nice steady traffic merging well and you could clearly see the M25 was at a standstill (no change there then). Well, me and most of the Western Speaking world could see the M25 was at a standstill. The bloke in the C-class was clearly focused on his car control as he rounded the bend passing everybody with no grace but lot's of pace. He had obviously spotted the stationary traffic as he passed me. Well that is to say his rear passed me as he twirled down the road in a move that would have made Darcy proud on Strictly. Luckily for the traffic on the M25 a large stationary artic halted his progress. It failed to halt the progress of his front bumper which carried on for about 500 yards under its own inertia before gently coming to rest against the barriers. As he dismounted from the ruins there was a silence, soon replaced by somebody clapping and then some more people cheering.

Was it anybody on here?
 
Its all really down to lane discipline which in the UK is pants!
As mentioned it works a treat in Germany and Europe and we all know how they hate queuing! Theres no loss of face or perceived pushing in, just a logical you me you me progression.
 

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