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J LAD

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I know some other forum members encounter the same problem, but my C63 Coupe has always felt very twitchy at high speeds.
After a full wheel alignment, geometry check, new rear tyres, tyre pressure change, i was still left with the same problem.
I was convinced it was an aerodynamic problem after trying all of the above, so started to work on designing a proper rear diffuser.
Why not buy i hear you say, but with most carbon add-ons being astronomical in price, i decided to design my own.
After talking to the guys at Reverie, it was pointless unless the car was totally flat underneath and around 4 inch from the floor, aka Formula 1.
They did recomend however that a decent rear wing and front splitter would be far better and have more effect.
Lets get something straight from the start, i have always been dubious about rear wings and spoilers, and i know manufacturers spend thousands on wind tunnel testing, but take a look at most of the new supercars and they all have some kind of new rear wing added, either fixed or motorised.
So, as imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, my first port of call was the Black Series rear wing.
First headache, I was not prepared to drill the boot lid as it would de-value the car immediately, so the only option, was the Renntech style design, with the fixing coming from the number plate area.
First off get your rear wing, a proper rear wing that is designed to work at speed - many thanks to Dave at Elite Carbon Fibre for all his help.
I have always designed machinery and improvement parts of some sort, so after a week or so i had a full mock up built up out of cardboard, not so simple, as i had to incorperate the full width of the number plate, and figure out fixing points for strength etc.
Now manufacture - i decided to use 6082 T651 grade aluminium, 8mm thick, laser cut, and a black anodised finish.
Adjustable support struts, are 12mm St St Hex bar with St St Rod end bearings.
Now assemble and fit - headache number 2, the rear number plate area is not readily made to accept this much weight, so rear support bars had to be made to stiffen the whole area.
Finally finished assembly today so it was testing time at last.
(Ps Wife sees it for first time, i am like **** Van Dyke coming out of shed with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang - she hates it!)
Anyway back to the road test today.
Now my local Yorkshire roads are not the best, a little bit of back and forth movement but not too bad on the whole, considering the surface i am driving on. Much better as i get on smoother, newly laid tarmac.
Now onto the good old M1 for what the wing was designed for, improved stability at higher speeds.Luckily it was very early in the morning so only a few cars out.
I can honestly say I am gobsmacked, car feels much more planted and solid, does not want to stray at all, steering feels much more accurate, no twitching at all, i feel much more confident on long fast curves, i know its over a week since i last drove her but i can definitely tell there is a difference, one for the better too.
Aesthetically i think a lot of people will hate what i have done, but i am pleased with the outcome, i suppose its the Porsche whale tale i always wanted as a kid?
Next mod - the front splitter, well possibly!
 

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Looks wise - I think it has totally ruined the car

It's your car though and you do whatever you want to it
 
As long as you are happy with the results and the look, that's all that matters.

Personally I think you have spoilt the looks of a great looking car. I'm in the same camp as your missus. Sorry.
 
A rear wing alone, if it does anything at all, is likely to lighten the steering feel and unless properly matched by other adjustments/aerodynamic aids, will destabilise the car.

Unlikely to have an effect at road legal speeds...
 
Awesome. Some good work in there.

What would be interesting to quantify its effect would be to run a laser ride hide sensor on the rear axle and run without it, and then with it over a range of angles at set speeds.

What do the supports fix to specifically? A wing with that area could produce some serious load.
 
How much is a C class boot lid?

I'd have drilled it and had a spare boot lid for when you wanted to sell it... a neater solution than your pram handles.
 
If it works, it works :thumb:

I'm with the other people though it doesn't look right, only reason being how much it sticks out from the rear of the car and then above it. Makes me think it's a bike rack

Is there no way of making that support structure tighter to the car? As above, I'd of bought a spare boot lid and gone with that fixed to the top of it like the BS

Johnny 5's arms my five year old just said :eek: Brilliant craftsmanship though, and I'm sure with more tweaks you could get it looking more tight to the car?
 
When you remove the boot liner, there is a large space of around 6 x 4 where the boot lock and number plate fix. The inner steel skin, which adds strength, moulds around this area, if you get my drift.
I tapped out the number plate fixing holes to M5, then added 4 x M8 CSK screws
either side of these.
At first the screws just attached to the outer panel, but even with support struts at the rear it flexed too much.
Luckily the screw holes aligned with the inner steel skin, so it was back to my local nut and bolt dealer for longer screws. I then drilled all the way through, and re-fitted with the support struts.
I was really conscious of deforming this area but the it was ok and the boot locks / unlocks as per normal.If you look at the Renntech fitment they use a USA style number plate, which is much smaller, but not really road legal for the UK?
A second boot lid never entered my mind to be honest, first of all theres painting and then all the wiring etc.
The wing is currently set at horizontal, it is fully adjustable for angle of attack, but after reading up on aerodynamics for weeks on end, its a trade off between downforce and drag.
 
Your number plate is partially obscured at some angles.
 
I'm not sure a thread has made me laugh so much for a long time, so thank you for that.

I appreciate the enthusiasm and execution of your plan. However, I think it looks crackers, especially when you will probably only benefit from it 1% of the time but have it offending a great looking car all the time.
 
OMFG! It looks like a Bike Rack! [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]


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Have you considered fitting this inside the boot Im sure you will achieve similar results and you'll retain the good looks of the car!
 
Absolutely brilliant design,personally I would have just left it on the drawing board and gone down the pub and had a rethink.
 
I was reading your post three times and couldn't find nothing about "track day's" or any other race events and I can't understand why did you sacrifice damn good looking car and put this piece of engineering on your C63 AMG coupe. Tell me if I'm wrong - this item was developed and produced by you with brilliant engineering idea underneath and this particular invention is super needed "must have" item fitted to your car to archive the best results driving like a lunatic at top speeds (I'm considering top speeds what this baby can do) on public roads towards loosing your license on Yorkshire roads and M1?
I'm taking all my words back and apologize if you participate on some race events and this air stabilization device will really help you to reach top results, otherwise it's your car and do what you want, just I will say thanks to you that I had hysterical laugh today when I saw your posted pictures with totally ruined car...and I'm ceep smiling. Good luck with your new projects.
 
My petrol radio control car has a wing and it makes a massive difference, it only goes up to 40 mph but i guess the principles are the same

Anyway without the wing it is very twitchy at high speed, with the wing it is controllable.
What the wing does is decrease the pressure on the front wheels so you need to feed in more of steering input, i assume it is a similar effect here. I assume that if you put some kind of front spoiler on you will be back where you started
 
What's it like with the boot lid open? Does the spoiler hit the roof and stop it from opening fully?
 
What's it like with the boot lid open? Does the spoiler hit the roof and stop it from opening fully?


You just had to write a Spoiler..



OK. I'll get my coat.
 

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