MOT Failure on Headlamp Washers

[Dieselman]

One wonders then why the USA, for example, has no such regulation now.
And indeed many countries.

In fact its common to find Japanese cars in the USA with HID and no washers, and certainly many Toyotas, Nissans and Fords as I have seen many of them....

Have you not noticed, we aren't in the USA...

 

[m1br]

Have you not noticed, we aren't in the USA...

Your observational skills are only exceeded by your post count.

 

[Blobsta]

Clearly some people hate the HID kits. There will always be people that do and that don't - to each their own. I agree that some of these kits with poor adjustment are distracting/dangerous (whatever your chosen adjective) and these people spoil it for the rest.

My experience, is that a quality kit, correctly adjusted is better and safer than the original equipment. I have never received a complaint of any kind from them and have seen them oncoming (whilst driving my other car).

I will say that I bought a kit for my wife's Freelander which was clearly wrong as everybody that came towards me let me know about it. I got the correct bulbs with the strip on them to give the correct cut-off and had them adjusted immediately I realised my error. No more issues and I put my hand up to my mistake.

I put this post up for information rather than to start a bitching session about upgrades, that was all.

Why on earth would I remove the washer system? How? remove the button? tester might assume that they are supposed to work with the windscreen washers. Change the bumper? I will repair it now and that will be the end of it.

 

[markjay]

You say they some HID kits are no good.

You say that even a good kit incorrectly-fitted can cause glare.

You say you were driving with potentially dangerous headlamps for a period of time until you were alerted to it by other road users.

You say that now you finally have a good kit, correctly fitted, and properly adjusted, and your car is once again safe for other drivers.

I accept all you say, the question is do we really want to have this sort of experimentation carried-out on public roads?

 

[davidjpowell]

Not quite - read the MOT rules carefully - IF the HID has self levelling / washers they must work, not the oft misquoted 'the self levelling / washers must work with HID lights'

Ah bolderdash.

Better find out why my levellers are not levelling...

 

[Blobsta]

You say they some HID kits are no good.

You say that even a good kit incorrectly-fitted can cause glare.

You say you were driving with potentially dangerous headlamps for a period of time until you were alerted to it by other road users.

You say that now you finally have a good kit, correctly fitted, and properly adjusted, and your car is once again safe for other drivers.

I accept all you say, the question is do we really want to have this sort of experimentation carried-out on public roads?

I say - It was not an experiment! It is not a question of anything a simple note to help make sure other members are aware of the new rules.

I say - I made an honest mistake which I rectified as soon as possible, drove home on sidelights (in a street lit area at dusk) and removed it.

I say - I bet you've never made a mistake (or would at least admit to it)

I say - your "holier than thou" attitude is a pathetic.

I say **** ***!

 

[Blobsta]

Ah bolderdash.

Better find out why my levellers are not levelling...

You should of course resolve the issue but the rules state that it may not be possible to test and that benefit of doubt should be given in that case. If they aren't level, it will be obvious enough that they aren't working though.

Make sure it is 100% OEM in case you upset anyone first though. Could you imagine....

 

[davidjpowell]

You should of course resolve the issue but the rules state that it may not be possible to test and that benefit of doubt should be given in that case. If they aren't level, it will be obvious enough that they aren't working though.

Make sure it is 100% OEM in case you upset anyone first though. Could you imagine....

Self Levelling Suspension and that they are level has been enough until now.

 

[kinaero]

Hmm! This is interesting RE working washer, I got the current shape C class with xenon, not sure what you guys called W something....

I could never get my washer to work, until I read the manual, and it says I have to be travelling at certain speed before it would activate it??

Now how would the tester going to tell whether my washer works or not??

 

[Dieselman]

Clearly some people hate the HID kits. There will always be people that do and that don't - to each their own.

The Law says you must not fit HID burners to halogen reflectors. That is not each to their own, it's the law.

The reason is that a halogen reflector cannot properly focus the light from an HID burner, irrespective of what strips or lenses are used...it's impossible.

Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

 

[markjay]

I say **** ***!

I worked out the 'you' bit, but just so that you are aware 'thank' has 5 letters, not 4.

 

[Blobsta]

The Law says you must not fit HID burners to halogen reflectors. That is not each to their own, it's the law.

The reason is that a halogen reflector cannot properly focus the light from an HID burner, irrespective of what strips or lenses are used...it's impossible.

Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply

Excellent information on this link - thank you. It is worth pointing out that this is a US company quoting US legislation and one poster here has pointed out that we are not in the US already.

I have now done much more research. I am struggling to find anything official that says you can't do it (on a DFT website) but the lack of e-marking would be enough on a technicality to make it illegal so I will consider removing them now.

Also, I am putting this to bed; I won't get into anymore debate about it - fill your boots by all means and post all night/day about HIDs reflectors and the like.

MarkJay - I am able to spell and you were close but personally I feel that Thank Off! would be a bit of an odd thing to write

 

[Spinal]

Every few months we get this thread...

From the horses mouth:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ormation-sheets/aftermarket-hid-headlamps.pdf

In the Department for Transport's (DfT) view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HIDXenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps . The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are
designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.

In a nutshell - if you fit aftermarket HID kits, you need to change the lens and reflector, as well as fitting wipers and self-levelling if not already fitted.

M.

 

[Dieselman]

Excellent information on this link - thank you. It is worth pointing out that this is a US company quoting US legislation and one poster here has pointed out that we are not in the US already.

Not US legislation, simple engineering fact.

I have now done much more research. I am struggling to find anything official that says you can't do it (on a DFT website)

 

[b1g1an]

Every few months we get this thread...

From the horses mouth:
http://webarchive.nationalarchives....ormation-sheets/aftermarket-hid-headlamps.pdf


In a nutshell - if you fit aftermarket HID kits, you need to change the lens and reflector, as well as fitting wipers and self-levelling if not already fitted.

M.

As has also said before, that's only if they are specific lens and reflectors for halogen and they produce different ones for xenons. A lot of manufacturers just do the one now so no need in those cases and this is also why people are suddenly finding halogen lights are very weak compared to older cars.

More than agree when it is the other way around

 

[Niks]

Truth is, no matter what the law says, there never will be a solution to it. Idiots will still drive around with 8000k HID's in halogen lenses on their Civic's, Golfs and the types blinding every poor oncoming sod. Stupid Van drivers will still drive right up your backside with one light flickering away like a disco light other firing straight into your rear view mirror pissing you off to no end. Seniors will still drive with their high beams and fog lights on in broad daylight whilst wearing their transition glasses that have become stuck in the dark tint.

Who's driven in Sweden at night? It's like you have an oncoming UFO. In India at night, what you think is a wee little scooter with one flickering light coming towards you turns out to be a 7.5T juggernaut half in your lane!

The joys of motoring

 

[grumpyoldgit]

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[BruLan]

My 10 Year old Rover 75 V8 Failed its MOT on the Headlamp Washers not working this year - despite it passing last year at the same Garage with the same problem new legislation !!
Just had to Buy a Pump pay a Garage to remove front Bumper refit and hey presto £150 later it passed !!!
Wonderful

 

[W210Virgin]

Ah bolderdash.

Better find out why my levellers are not levelling...

Have a look on the rear o/s just behind the wheel and above the axle. The self levelling sensor thingy is mounted there. It will be connected to the suspension by a little 300mm long arm that is supposed to have nice swivel ball joints on it, 1 each end. If, like mine, the ball joint connections will be rusted solid to the point where one of mine actually broke off leaving the thingy high and dry and doing nothing, ergo no fault code. £15 from MB and a load of WD40. That might be your issue. If it is you'll find that removing the whole assembly will be the easiest way of fixing it. Salty roads are a disaster. I refitted mine and sprayed with a coat of white grease.

 

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