Multiple Speeding Offences ?

[mirras]

Here's a thought.... I have often heard folk refer to the possibility of incurring multiple speeding fines on the same journey by speeding past different speed cameras. Would this count as multiple offences if the speed never dropped below the speed limit? Surely this is the same offence captured at different locations....

If a burgler were to be spotted by two different police officers he wouldn't be charged twice would he?

 

[Charles Morgan]

Each offence is at a discrete moment in time. So each one is punishable as a separate offence, unlike the burglary.

You could of course test your theory....

 

[markjay]

This does raise an interesting question - why not issue PCNs to illegally parked cars repeatedly, say every 1 minute? After all, the owners are still committing the offence, aren't day?

 

[Charles Morgan]

Parking is a civil matter, and they do penalise you again after a reasonable period - if you continue to be parked unlawfully, you can be clamped or towed, both of which lead to higher penalties.

 

[davidjpowell]

My vague understanding is that you can't break the law more than once. So for instance if you go through two camera's without slowing down at 85, then it is one offence. If you however slow down and then speed up again it's two offences.

Good luck convincing whoever though.

Fil picked up 9 points in a day, going past the same camera 3 times. Silly, but there you go.

 

[Charles Morgan]

A camera is incapable of determining whether you have indeed slowed down, nor indeed a policeman.

If you pass two recording points at an unlawful speed you will have been recorded committing two separate offences and you will be charged twice.

 

[corned]

Has someone got a few big bills coming in the post?

 

[rascalmaster]

My vague understanding is that you can't break the law more than once. So for instance if you go through two camera's without slowing down at 85, then it is one offence. If you however slow down and then speed up again it's two offences.

Good luck convincing whoever though.

Fil picked up 9 points in a day, going past the same camera 3 times. Silly, but there you go.

notwithstanding double jeopardy....

if you kill someone in one restraunt; cross the street and kill someone else; hey that's two murders!

 

[mirras]

Has someone got a few big bills coming in the post?

No thankfully, I use the limiter all the time. I was driving down the A77 which has average speed cameras and I remembered someone on here mention they were used in pairs. I then got wondering if two pairs were switched on and picked up the same car at two different sections of road would that be 2 offences or one.

 

[Dieselman]

No thankfully, I use the limiter all the time. I was driving down the A77 which has average speed cameras and I remembered someone on here mention they were used in pairs.

They must be SPECS cameras then, in which case they are average speed cameras not instantaneous.
Speed between two cameras and that would be one speeding offence.

 

[mirras]

notwithstanding double jeopardy....

if you kill someone in one restraunt; cross the street and kill someone else; hey that's two murders!

That's two different people killed so clearly 2 separate crimes.... to stick with motoring offences, take one of the muppets you see on TV trying to outrun traffic police in a stolen Corsa... said muppet drives above the speed limit for 20 miles, wrong way round 3 roundabouts, wrong way up 2 one way streets and hits 5 parked cars before landing in a ditch... what's the charge or charges?

 

[Dieselman]

That's two different people killed so clearly 2 separate crimes.... to stick with motoring offences, take one of the muppets you see on TV trying to outrun traffic police in a stolen Corsa... said muppet drives above the speed limit for 20 miles, wrong way round 3 roundabouts, wrong way up 2 one way streets and hits 5 parked cars before landing in a ditch... what's the charge or charges?

Not the 3 points for speeding.

 

[mirras]

They must be SPECS cameras then, in which case they are average speed cameras not instantaneous.
Speed between two cameras and that would be one speeding offence.

I was thinking of a pair between Symington and Hansel and another pair between Sandyford and St Quivox for example... there's a clear gap between the two pairs so it would be above limit, unmeasured then above limit again... equivalent to two Gatsos 5 miles apart

 

[rascalmaster]

That's two different people killed so clearly 2 separate crimes.... to stick with motoring offences, take one of the muppets you see on TV trying to outrun traffic police in a stolen Corsa... said muppet drives above the speed limit for 20 miles, wrong way round 3 roundabouts, wrong way up 2 one way streets and hits 5 parked cars before landing in a ditch... what's the charge or charges?

oh the mind boggles!

 

[rascalmaster]

... got bad sinusitis; 1000mg of ibuprofen with codine and some strong antibiotics later.... and you know what- i'm feeling quite mellow now lol

 

[Fullmeister]

Here's a thought.... I have often heard folk refer to the possibility of incurring multiple speeding fines on the same journey by speeding past different speed cameras. Would this count as multiple offences if the speed never dropped below the speed limit? Surely this is the same offence captured at different locations....

If a burgler were to be spotted by two different police officers he wouldn't be charged twice would he?

..

 

[Deleted member 37751]

That's two different people killed so clearly 2 separate crimes.... to stick with motoring offences, take one of the muppets you see on TV trying to outrun traffic police in a stolen Corsa... said muppet drives above the speed limit for 20 miles, wrong way round 3 roundabouts, wrong way up 2 one way streets and hits 5 parked cars before landing in a ditch... what's the charge or charges?

I would say it should be attempted manslaughter, although it would probably be pleaded down to driving without due care & attention.

I think the police chasing these idiots makes incident worse at times..

 

[Dieselman]

I would say it should be attempted manslaughter,

How could it be classed as attempted manslaughter?

 

[st13phil]

Surely this is the same offence captured at different locations....

Generally it would be considered as separate offences, but in very specific circumstances (cameras very close together on one continuous section of road) it can be argued to be one continuous offence. There was a case in Southend (from memory) some years back where two consecutive cameras located a matter of a couple of hundred yards apart on the same stretch of road were triggered at pretty much the same speed and the magistrates accepted the single continuous offence argument and dealt with it in that way. It's unusual though.

 

[PXW]

I recall we had a canter though this some while back - can't find it now - and Ian (Flanaia1) checked with his better half and confirmed that it is two (or more) offences rather than multiple pieces of evidence for a single offence.