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I'm out of this thread. I can see it's going to become one of the less informative threads on this forum
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Because I was too lazy to read the whole thread, went to the second page and saw your comment about taxing a person
My selective reading ability has much improved
I had to go back and re-read my posts to make sure before I'd replied to you!
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Well, considering CO2 is one of the most commonly known greenhouse gases, I dare to say it is a air pollutant
CO2 is a perfectly healthy gas which is also present in the sparkling water and bubbly that we drink... the fact that too much of it can cause global warming does not make it a pollutant.
Equally, too much oxygen can be very dangerous, and yet no one would consider oxygen as a 'pollutant'...
We need to keep in mind that while reducing CO2 emissions may be a worthy cause in itself, it will not make any difference to air quality in city centres. Pure-EVs will, however.
EVs push the energy production away from population centres, so we get clean air where we live and drive.
Depending on how the energy is produced, the overall CO2 emissions as well the the air pollution from energy used by EVs may be higher or lower.
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There's a difference between a layman's understanding of 'pollutant' and the legal regulatory definition of it.
See also interesting discussion here:
How Carbon Dioxide Became a 'Pollutant' - WSJ
See also interesting discussion here:
How Carbon Dioxide Became a 'Pollutant' - WSJ
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Oh no, I dont know how to multiquote
If it is a perfectly healthy gas, try to stay in the room with nothing but CO2, and you wont tell the story how healthy it was
It is also a by-product, and wouldnt exisit if there was no energy being produced / absorbed.I am not sure I get your comment about oxygen, it is a natural, single element gas, essential to carbon based creatures (us) to survive. Yes, in specific quantity, which is around 19% in the air around us.
CO2 is not however the only bad pollutant ou there, as a matter of fact, its one of the lesser polluting ones. Take CFCs, VOCs which are ozon depleting gases, these are several hundreds, if not thousands more damaging than CO2. Did you know that particles of CFCs can take anything between 20 to 25 years to travel as far as ozon layer and stay there for up to 2 yers. 1 particle of CFCs can damaged around 200,000 particles of O3...
Anyway, water vapour is also classed as greenhouse gas, so it would take a loong time to go through all of them
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The PAYE is significant if I don't earn any money I don not pay any tax same should apply to my car if I don't use it I should not pay road tax as I have not been on the road
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The PAYE is significant if I don't earn any money I don not pay any tax same should apply to my car if I don't use it I should not pay road tax as I have not been on the road
SORN it then.
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You kidding right? And thats after I threw the chlorofluorocarbons and volatile organic compounds into the mix?
I was going to start on PM2.5, but my finger hurts afters typing on the bloody ipad
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You kidding right? And thats after I threw the chlorofluorocarbons and volatile organic compounds into the mix?
I was going to start on PM2.5, but my finger hurts afters typing on the bloody ipad
No. It was before your post, which has been the only informative post in the thread.
It is degenerating onto the usual D-Mail "I hate the Gov't" rants that are so common on here, now.
I'm out of the thread, was just responding to you...
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My point is, try to stay in a room with 100% oxygen, just don't switch on the light...
Anything is harmful in large doses, even drinking too much water can kill a person... but this does not make it a 'pollutant' in my book. However I am aware that others may differ.
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Scott_F said:
Stupid comment
Did not know it could be Sorn on a week by week basis
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Not unlike your "increase the price of everybody's food and fuel so that I can save a bit of money on my VED licence" comment then ?
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That about right think of number 1 first you would have to start shopping at Aldi
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The PAYE is significant if I don't earn any money I don not pay any tax same should apply to my car if I don't use it I should not pay road tax as I have not been on the road
The only case where you pay no tax at all is if all your income is from state benefits.
Otherwise, you pay Insurance Tax when you tax the car, and you pay VAT on everything else.
You also pay tax indirecty. Some of the income (after VAT) that the garage has from repairing or servicing your car will go towards paying staff salaries... which are PAYE taxed.
Some of it will go towards the premises' Business Rates... and the garage's profit will incur Corporation Tax, while the dividends payed to the owners will again incur Income Tax... all paid from your (and other customers') service bills.
Again - the only case where you don't pay any tax is when you pay for purchases using government money.
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My point is, try to stay in a room with 100% oxygen, just don't switch on the light...
Anything is harmful in large doses, even drinking too much water can kill a person... but this does not make it a 'pollutant' in my book. However I am aware that others may differ.
You are right, we will have to agree to disagree on this matter
But consider this, if an organisation attempts to achieve an ISO 14001, which is worldwide recognised environmental standard, one of the things they will always have fairly high on their agenda, is to reduce their carbon footprint. Whether it is done through purchase of more efficient fleet, improving general logisitcs, or reducing energy use, the aim is to reduce CO2 output.
Same goes for global harmonisation to which UK has subscribed through variaty of treaties and summits, such as Kyoto protocol
Kyoto Protocol
Then, we have our own UK based targets which have been set and backed up by rather extensive amount of legislation behind it
Have a look at this
https://www.gov.uk/government/polic...by-80-by-2050/supporting-pages/carbon-budgets
And the Climate change act, where primairly its aim is to reduce carbon dioxide.
In all the years I have dealt with environmental compliance, I have not heard of a single treaty bounding its members to reduce oxygen emission
but will be more than interested to ready about it, if you can provide some evidence on the matter.Finally, this is the most up to date statistic, regarding CO2 emissions in UK, also intersting read for those who are involved in this line of work.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../20141009_-_Quarterly_statistical_release.pdf
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The PAYE is significant if I don't earn any money I don not pay any tax same should apply to my car if I don't use it I should not pay road tax as I have not been on the road
But, and this is important, it is not "road tax" but "Vehicle Excise Duty"
Revenue raised via taxation is not specifically streamed to a particular use so VED is not just used to pay for maintaining the road infrastructure.
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Yes it should bloody BBC
