sbc-S

[crockers]

Ok - I have to admit it - but I haven't a clue what you guys are talking about. What is SBS-s etc etc. Do all Mercs have it?

 

[crockers]

used sbs-s on the way into work this morning for the first time ... couldnt get over the fact i didnt have to break , must be a natural thing.


anyone else like it?

So is this something that allows you to drive without taking a tea break? Or a natural break?

 

[glojo]

Ok - I have to admit it - but I haven't a clue what you guys are talking about. What is SBS-s etc etc. Do all Mercs have it?

Give me a brake. If I explained this system then you would see I couldn't spell.

John

 

[television]

Ok - I have to admit it - but I haven't a clue what you guys are talking about. What is SBS-s etc etc. Do all Mercs have it?

SBC is sensonic braking system and was fitted to the 211 the SL and one more (age is against me) The SL is the only car to have it fitted as standard today. its an electronic almost fly by wire system, the hold and stop were things added to it, as said above with the stop you can press the brake pedal and remove your foot and the car will continue to brake on its own,touching the accelerator over rides it. The Hold stops the car from moving once stopped, Distronic the radar based cruise control lets you set your car at a certain distance from the car in front, what ever happens in the traffic if it all slows down, then your car slows down keeping the set distance, when the traffic speeds up, your car speeds up without you doing a thing.
If they were to introduce the Lexus feature that follows the white line, I could sit in the rear if I had a rear seat and the car would drive itself

 

[nimmat]

The C class probably does not have SBC.

I tested it out and its slightly freaky untill you get used to it (very easy to get used to it in Guildford traffic). I however dont seem to have SBC Hold.. only SBC Stop but it seemed very intelligent.

I think it engages at 15mph or less and not above that so it is very difficult to judge instantly without any praqctice if it has kicked in or not.

It is also brilliant for very steep climbs. I did not have to use my handbrake today to climb out of my driveway (oh and I do have an auto, the driveway is just too steep for thr auto to handle that).

To activate, you should be less then 10mph (or stationary) i think and pull the cruise control stick towards yourself (like when we recall the original set speed).

Will be trying it out for the next few days but I can understand the reason why they removed it... You cannot be expected to rely upon it to hault as quick as you want so sometimes I did have to use the brake harshly that the mrs did not like

Nim

 

[television]

Respect for sticking with it, I suppose if we are constantly in slow moving traffic, it would be tempting to learn how to use it.

Does Distronic fetch you to a complete halt, and what distance will it keep from the car in front? .

Regards
John

Hi John, it did on the SL but has now reverted back to 18kph, on the new braking system fitted to the 221 yes it does the distance is variable from about 100 yards down to 20

 

[glojo]

The C class probably does not have SBC.

I tested it out and its slightly freaky untill you get used to it (very easy to get used to it in Guildford traffic). I however dont seem to have SBC Hold.. only SBC Stop but it seemed very intelligent.

At a guess I would say if you only have the one option tnen it will be SBC Hold? The Stop option was phased out.

Distronic is a nice feature but as television has kindly pointed out, it is completely different from what SBC Stop offers. If you tried leaving a 20 metre gap whilst driving in a city with slow moving traffic you would be forever letting everyone 'bridge that gap'

The SL is the only car to have it fitted as standard today.

Flagship system for flagship cars The SLR still has this system, but I don't know about the Maybach?

John

 

[television]

Distronic is a nice feature but as television has kindly pointed out, it is completely different from what SBC Stop offers. If you tried leaving a 20 metre gap whilst driving in a city with slow moving traffic you would be forever letting everyone 'bridge that gap'

Flagship system for flagship cars The SLR still has this system, but I don't know about the Maybach?

John

On your last post on this John I had to think hard about the distances, I know that 100m is the max is its on the dash as such, the midway notch on the adjustable wheel is 50m. looking up in the handbook it gives the distance as between 0.1 and 0.2 seconds depending on the speed.

On the motorway yes other cars can cut in on a busy road, that has the effect of braking the car as they cut in, but not full braking, it knows that the other car is pulling away, so its only a momentary action. Set at the minimum distance is too close for me, only because I never drive that close anyway.

The very useful part is if I am driving on a B road with traffic that is all traveling at 40mph, if I set the car to anything above this say 55mph the car will keep the set distance, a normal distance at that the whole time, like cruise control, touching the brake kills it and resume activates it again to the set speed.

Its one of my best extra's and I use it a lot.

 

[glojo]

The thing to remember is SBC Stop is a completely seperate gadget. It can only be activated when either stationary, or travelling at speeds LESS than 10mph. It will automatically de-activate at 40mph and will have to be re-engaged everytime the driver decides they want to use it. (Unless they don't exceed 40mph, or switch the engine off)

German engineering at its best. SBC came, we saw, we liked and it has now allegedly been replaced with a better system??

Regards
John

 

[Diesel Benz]

The C class probably does not have SBC.

I tested it out and its slightly freaky untill you get used to it (very easy to get used to it in Guildford traffic). I however dont seem to have SBC Hold.. only SBC Stop but it seemed very intelligent.

Nim

Would it be possible that an E-class would have SBC Stop but not Hold? Have you tried stepping the brake pedal shortly and firmly when stationary? It should display "hold" on the instrument cluster and apply brakes, keeping the car stationary. Would have to learn how to activate it, may not work first time.

 

[Mr E]

Seeing as I seem to be the only one who uses it regularly I'll explain how both works.

SBC-Hold - come to a halt as you would normally, then press the pedal a little harder. SBC-H comes up on the dash display and you take your feet off. The brakes are held on until you push the throttle pedal and SBC-H disengages. If I remember rightly, it disengages if you selected reverse (or drive I guess if you're going backwards and engage it, never tried that...) or apply the parking brake.

SBC-Stop - engage by pulling the cruise control lever forward or down (that's the two ways I do it) either when stationary or under 10mph. Take your foot off the throttle and the brakes are applied; push the throttle and the brakes come off and off you trundle. SBC-S remain engaged up to 40mph or until you cancel it. You can still use the brake pedal to brake more firmly or in an emergency.


I'm not sure when, but SBC-Stop was withdrawn sometime after I got my W211 in June 04, but it was before the facelift. SBC-H remained, and is still available post-facelift (I believe).

Personally I'll miss SBC-Stop - I have to drive in London a fair bit and it makes the journey a tad more relaxing, plus it seems to add to the smug factor .

 

[television]

SBC has been an expensive exercise for MB they cant drop it on the SL as it stands in its current form as there is nowhere to put a servo.

 

[glojo]

I'm not sure when, but SBC-Stop was withdrawn sometime after I got my W211 in June 04, but it was before the facelift. SBC-H remained, and is still available post-facelift (I believe).

When the first bout of cost cutting was introduced, which was the late summer of 2004. August, September time comes to mind, lights underneath wing mirrors, charcoal filter switching etc etc.

SBC took an awful lot of criticism from across the Atlantic, they only had a cut down system, but moaned and moaned about the feel etc. I'm told the replacement is even better than what we have and if that is the case then brilliant, but is it more to do with the A-class moose?

John