Second hand car sale and an unhappy new owner or attempted scam?

[E55BOF]

I witnessed one send a defendant to High Court on a perjury charge for something very minor, the guy was in tears on the day but, predictably, it was dismissed within 2 minutes.

What were you doing in court...?

That raises an interesting point, though. I'm pursuing my claim against the (undeclared) small-time dealer who sold me my last E500, and in his intial response he stated inter alia that he was not a dealer, and signed a Statement of Truth to that effect. If the court, as I pretty much expect it will, concludes that he was a dealer, will any penalty be imposed? I rather doubt it, because I suspect that in the real world, most defendants will lie to try to evade their responsibility, and if every small-time dodgy scrote who signed a false SoT was prosecuted, the court system would be clogged with liars who would mostly get a very minor penalty at worst.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

What were you doing in court...?

That raises an interesting point, though. I'm pursuing my claim against the (undeclared) small-time dealer who sold me my last E500, and in his intial response he stated inter alia that he was not a dealer, and signed a Statement of Truth to that effect. If the court, as I pretty much expect it will, concludes that he was a dealer, will any penalty be imposed? I rather doubt it, because I suspect that in the real world, most defendants will lie to try to evade their responsibility, and if every small-time dodgy scrote who signed a false SoT was prosecuted, the court system would be clogged with liars who would mostly get a very minor penalty at worst.

This was back in the 90s and my job at the time meant that I could be in court daily.

As I said it's really down to the DJ on the day, the perjury case was an extreme example, if you attend yourself don't be shy to speak up even if you have a solicior if you see that your rep has missed out something important. Call the judge sir rather than your honour or whatever. They hate being called by the wrong title.

Your claim is for compensation and the county court should only want to deal with that aspect but could refer to criminal proceedings however this is most unlikely.

 

[poormansporsche]

You are really over thinking a simple private car transaction!

Personal vendetta?

Months or years of pain or hassle?

Are you being serous? If so what sort of World do you inhabit?

Unfortunately in the world we now inhabit there is a breed of scum who make it their personal mission on a daily basis to intimidate people just for the fun of it. I am speaking from personal experience. I knew I shouldn't have sold the 1 grand car to the pikey tosser, I knew it was going to be aggro, but just needed the car off my drive. Yes I paid him off to the tune of 500 quid because having a scaffold lorry full up with intimidating illiterate ginger twats turn up outside your house whilst your wife is on her own is not my idea of fun.

And I know plenty of people that have had similar things happen to them.

 

[Deleted member 159894]

Unfortunately in the world we now inhabit there is a breed of scum who make it their personal mission on a daily basis to intimidate people just for the fun of it. I am speaking from personal experience. I knew I shouldn't have sold the 1 grand car to the pikey tosser, I knew it was going to be aggro, but just needed the car off my drive. Yes I paid him off to the tune of 500 quid because having a scaffold lorry full up with intimidating illiterate ginger twats turn up outside your house whilst your wife is on her own is not my idea of fun.

And I know plenty of people that have had similar things happen to them.

Made me chuckle, sorry!

 

[ChipChop]

The favoured car buying scam amongst UK based lowlife seems to be buyers turning up accompanied by a mate or five. Distract the seller and then squirt oil in the coolant (head gasket going) or disable/ nobble the car in some way. Then they make a low ball offer cos its broken. In effect stealing the car for well below the asking price.

Solution is to refuse inspection when this mob handed buyers situation happens. Scumbags.

 

[poormansporsche]

Made me chuckle, sorry!

Mrs PMP is more scary than any pikey but it's just £hite you don't need !

 

[et0609]

In law - caveat emptor "the principle that the buyer alone is responsible for checking the quality and suitability of goods before a purchase is made."

 

[nyssa7]

What were you doing in court...?

That raises an interesting point, though. I'm pursuing my claim against the (undeclared) small-time dealer who sold me my last E500, and in his intial response he stated inter alia that he was not a dealer, and signed a Statement of Truth to that effect. If the court, as I pretty much expect it will, concludes that he was a dealer, will any penalty be imposed? I rather doubt it, because I suspect that in the real world, most defendants will lie to try to evade their responsibility, and if every small-time dodgy scrote who signed a false SoT was prosecuted, the court system would be clogged with liars who would mostly get a very minor penalty at worst.

An interesting point about the Statement of Truth. We are currently embroiled in a Court action regarding property boundary. The neighbour has submitted a 72 page defence document totally full of lies and insults, most stuff easily proven a lie. We wait with baited breath (not) to see how the judge treats that but guess he’ll get away with all that, even stating that the Police forced him to sign a confession to assault in a darkened room so he didn’t know what he was signing!

 

[Deleted member 159894]

An interesting point about the Statement of Truth. We are currently embroiled in a Court action regarding property boundary. The neighbour has submitted a 72 page defence document totally full of lies and insults, most stuff easily proven a lie. We wait with baited breath (not) to see how the judge treats that but guess he’ll get away with all that, even stating that the Police forced him to sign a confession to assault in a darkened room so he didn’t know what he was signing!

These county court judges really don't fall for all the emotional crap.

If you stick to the facts and present them in a calm manner you will hold the upper hand.

 

[nyssa7]

Had someone (I presume) try it on when I sold my Diesel Tigra 2 or 3 years ago. Car advertised at £1k, I’d just spent £500 on it getting it serviced and MOTd with all known faults sorted. Get message from buyer that they will be over within the hour if I accept their eBay buy it now offer.
A week later and I’ve given up on them and have asked eBay to cancel the transaction - then they get in touch, can they come over. Chap who seems to know his stuff takes it for a test drive, deems car is fine (as it should be given what I’ve just spent on it), pays the money and off they go

next day I get a message that it started juddering on way home, garage say the clutch has gone and will I pay for it - dream on. It was fine when it left me, no hint anything might go wrong, and given the way they;d been over the deal, doubt there was anything wrong at all

a week later eBay processed the refund for the ad, I got an abusive email from the buyer that not only did I sell them a duff car, but I was too tight to pay the eBay cost!

I always try to describe a car honestly, usually too honestly - thankfully this was the only time I’ve had any issue

 

[nyssa7]

These county court judges really don't fall for all the emotional crap.

If you stick to the facts and present them in a calm manner you will hold the upper hand.

I do hope so, this chap plays the victim card with a vengeance despite the fact he is plainly the agressor. Given he wrote to our solicitor telling him he should be ashamed at colluding in our land grab with us - the reverse is true, he is trying to stop us selling our deceased grandmother’s house by inventing a boundary issue - we’re hoping he runs true to form and tells the judge what he thinks of him

 

[DSM10000]

I have had to use the Court system on two occasions, both to remove Tenants who refused to leave after the tenancy agreement had ended, had stopped paying rent and had caused damage to the property.

In both cases the Tenants lied claimed that the property was not maintained (fully refurbished prior to them moving in for the first one and redecorated prior to the second), claimed the property was electrically unsafe despite an annual inspection and report on the electrical and gas supplies that showed all in order etc etc.

Both refused to let the managing agents in to carry out routine inspections.....

In court the first time they carried on lying and trying emotional blackmail techniques.

The Judge listened politely then asked them for proof of their complaints because all he had was evidence of a safe and well maintained property which had been damaged during the tenancy.

He authorised an eviction order and awarded costs without hesitation.

The second time the Tenants didn't show up. Eviction notice issued and eventually Bailiffs engaged to remove them.