Sl60 Amg

[nickg]

Vs

http://www.autoleasebc.com/autolease_inquiry.php?id=571

For The silver arrow

Muscle version v hairdressers version (just my personal opinion of course)

 

[nickg]

That's the SL73 , as seen in real life at AMG - bit rare though !!

S.

Over the time the R 129 “SL” have been built, Daimler Benz replaced in June 98’ the Double Twin cam 32 Valve engines oft the M 119 series and the Inline Six’s by V 90° 6 and 8 Types with a single cam per bank and three valves per cylinder. {Type M 112 an M 113}.

All the AMG R 129 built types used the same Identification code of the basic Daimler Benz car design.


The “SL 60” was based on the “500 SL” {R 129.066/.067}, a car, originally fitted with an 4.973 cm³ engine {M 119.960/M 119.972/M 119.982}. There have been built three different AMG Versions of the “500 SL”, but the major changes are the same.

The original crank was replaced by the crankshaft of the M 117.968 {“560”}, means the stroke was increased to 94.8 mm {3 ¾ in.}. The bore was increased to 100.0 mm { 3.94 in.}, so the engine capacity reached 5.956 cm³. Inlet and Exhaust channels of the cylinder heads were extended and polished. AMG exhausts has been fitted.

”500 SL 6.0 AMG”
First conversion to 6 Litre, based on the R 129.066 fitted with the M 119.960 KE engine.
These with Bosch KE engine control reached 374 hp @ 5.250 rpm and a maximum torque of 550 Nm @ 4.000 rpm.
They used the same Four speed automatic transmission {722.353}, Differential ratio and brakes as the 5 Litre cars. The tires, mounted on three-piece AMG rims {8 ½ x 17 ET 18 – 10 x 17 ET 17} have a size of 255/40 ZR 17 – 255/55 ZR 17.
This car have been built between September 91’ and August 93’.

”SL 60 AMG
The second series, built between September 93’ and December 95’ used the M 119.972 LH engine with Bosch LH engine control. Those engines, as those of the “E 60”, reached 381 hp @ 5.500 rpm. {580 Nm @ 3.750rpm}. This series still uses the same Front an rear brakes as those fitted on the serial “500 SL”, also have been changed to a larger diameter.
The automatic gearbox was replaced by the 722.364, still having 4 Speeds.

”SL 60 AMG
The last series was built between have been April 196 and May 98.
Now the M 119.982 with Bosch ME engine control was converted, but the output was unchanged. The gearbox was replaced by the new five speed automatic transmission, rims have had 18” diameter, the size of the tires reached 245/40 ZR 18 – 275/35 ZR 18.

AMG Aerodynamic Body kit have been fitted to all official converted cars.

Of all series have around 300 cars been built.

 

[nickg]

Also see here:

http://www.theautochannel.com/publications/magazines/sci/aug-sept-97/amgsl60.frame

 

[janner]

Thanks for the info Nick.
I already knew they are like rocking horse poo, especially in the dark metallic colours that I like. It also has the newer interior which is a vast improvement over pre '96 models (imho).
I haven't looked at it because I know if I do I will be trying to find the money and I've already spent far too much recently.
I'm sure there will be another one at the end of the summer.

The SL60 is the best car there is, as far as I'm concerned. Fast, understated, relatively cheap these days and should be more reliable than the modern junk.

Silver Arrow vs SL60.....please, no contest!

 

[peterchurch]

The SL60 is the best car there is, as far as I'm concerned. Fast, understated, relatively cheap these days and should be more reliable than the modern junk.

Silver Arrow vs SL60.....please, no contest!

Each to their own I will take the slightly slower, more refined, cruising v8 The SL doesn't need balls out speed. Its a refined topless limo not a racing car.

An SL will never be cheap. Even if you get one for next to nothing (which you will if the oil prices continue going up) The bills that run up will leave a hefty dent in the finances. (even mine has cost 3K so far this year) and the AMG should really be kept inside the MB dealer chain if you want it to retain its value...

 

[nickg]

Dealers haven't got a clue. Most think its an SL600 with part of the badge fallen off.

and, with respect, save it until you've driven one.

 

[peterchurch]

Dealers haven't got a clue. Most think its an SL600 with part of the badge fallen off.[/QUOTE]

Sad. I would have thought MB uk or AMG would have pointed you in the direction of somone specialised for this sort of work, given the massive hike in value for keeping the stamps on the collectors cars

and, with respect, save it until you've driven one.

I can't strain the 320 v6 on an open (empty) M4. and with the newer breed of v6 engine, I have never found it to be short of power or flat in a tight spot quite the oposite in fact. So I am amazed that you can really need/ use the extra power of the SL60.

 

[C240Sport97]

You have to experience it before you can convince yourself that it is 'necessary'

I can't strain the 320 v6 on an open (empty) M4. and with the newer breed of v6 engine, I have never found it to be short of power or flat in a tight spot quite the oposite in fact. So I am amazed that you can really need/ use the extra power of the SL60.

 

[peterchurch]

You have to experience it before you can convince yourself that it is 'necessary'

Im so stranger to Ultra fast cars Indeed the merc is the first car I have bought in the last six years where it wasn't the top engine available in the range...

If I ended up with a 60 the only convincing that would need doing would be to the beak and that would go along the lines of

"Please sir, don't make me some big thugs prison b1tch for exceeding the national speed limit by double " :bannana:

 

[nickg]

Dealers haven't got a clue. Most think its an SL600 with part of the badge fallen off.

Sad. I would have thought MB uk or AMG would have pointed you in the direction of somone specialised for this sort of work, given the massive hike in value for keeping the stamps on the collectors cars



I can't strain the 320 v6 on an open (empty) M4. and with the newer breed of v6 engine, I have never found it to be short of power or flat in a tight spot quite the oposite in fact. So I am amazed that you can really need/ use the extra power of the SL60.[/QUOTE]

Nobody needs the extra power.
Whilst I would not regard myself as a show off, it does give me great pleasure knowing what my car is capable of. I think I made my mind up to change my SL320 last year when I was driving down the M6 on a gorgeous sunny day with the roof down, thinking about what a fabulous car I had. A 911 shot past me and I knew that as much as I loved the 320, it could never compete performance-wise with the 911. I considered getting a 911 myself but couldn't bear to part with the comforts and relative practicality of the SL.

I have been pointed in the direction of a specialist - George Fraser. Widely regarded, amongst the MB community, as one of the very best in terms of expertise across the MB range.
Actually, the SL60 is less complex than you may imagine, given that it is based very much on the very long-lived, tried and tested 5litre V8.
I don't see there ever (in the foreseeable) being any increase in value in my car and no need to use an MB dealer. Pretty immaterial anyway as I have no plans on selling it.

 

[peterchurch]

Nobody needs the extra power.
Whilst I would not regard myself as a show off, it does give me great pleasure knowing what my car is capable of. I think I made my mind up to change my SL320 last year when I was driving down the M6 on a gorgeous sunny day with the roof down, thinking about what a fabulous car I had. A 911 shot past me and I knew that as much as I loved the 320, it could never compete performance-wise with the 911. I considered getting a 911 myself but couldn't bear to part with the comforts and relative practicality of the SL.

I get "beaten" by Porsches every week I happily let them though... Most of the time, Im too busy enjoying the smooth, comfortable ride I am having I even allow BMWs past me sometimes

Out of interest if you go back to that sunny day and you were driving the SL60 instead. When the 911 came haring past you, At what sort of speed would you have stopped racing it or concidered that your point was proved?

Getting back on target with what this thread was all about, here is a car that was up for sale last summer ( I recognise "features" and the barn in the background! )

10K cheaper under 54,000 miles with FMBSH...

http://www.**********.com/popup.cfm?p_n=223480&p_i=223480

Although It was going for 17K in the miserable, wet summer we had last year

 

[janner]

I saw that car and thought it was too much money.
The facelift version with the better interior and AMG bodykit is worth 5k extra in my opinion.
I thought MB only officially made the SL60 from mid '96 anyway so presumably this is some sort of AMG special before MBs official involvement.

I am really tempted (I think it's worth £25k) but I just can't justify blowing another chunk at the mo.

Cheaper to service, lighter, faster and rarer than an SL600. You can never have too much power.

 

[nickg]

pre-facelift. old-style interior. wiring loom issues in a '95??
horrible colour
PS I'm sure that car was previously advertised on ********** at a higher price than that.

rather pointless having a logical discussion about the rationale for driving a car with 230, 302, 381, 500 ++++ bhp. There isn't one, other than the pleasure derived from doing it, and knowing your car is capable of serious performance.
There is no defence.
However, no doubt you know that at any speed the 60 is the equal of any other car in the range in terms of smoothness, practicality and driveability.
There is no trade off in these areas.
MPG is worse, but lets face it if you had a big problem with that you probably wouldn't be driving an SL of any description.

 

[peterchurch]

I saw that car and thought it was too much money.
The facelift version with the better interior and AMG bodykit is worth 5k extra in my opinion.
I thought MB only officially made the SL60 from mid '96 anyway so presumably this is some sort of AMG special before MBs official involvement.

I am really tempted (I think it's worth £25k) but I just can't justify blowing another chunk at the mo.

Cheaper to service, lighter, faster and rarer than an SL600. You can never have too much power.

25K? Which car are you talking about? I thought the one you posted first was £28K and the one I have just posted was £19,995?

Considering the fact that these cars barely changed for 10 years there sure was a lot of facelifts

Nick did the facelift 96-98 60 get ESP instead of ASR?

 

[Maff]

From memory the R129 SL had three facelifts in it's time, right upto until about 24 months before it went end of life.

 

[janner]

25K? Which car are you talking about?

I know it's up for £28k but I'm sure you could get that car for £25k.
Never pay the asking price

 

[peterchurch]

From memory the R129 SL had three facelifts in it's time, right upto until about 24 months before it went end of life.

When I was buying last year nearly every car that I thought about claimed that is was "Facelift model" car ranged from 95/96/97/98 then 99

I guess that the real ones where
early 90's when they lost the 24V 300
96? (what changed here ?)
99 When they released the new v6 & 8

 

[peterchurch]

I know it's up for £28k but I'm sure you could get that car for £25k.
Never pay the asking price

I wouldn't think that a dealer would reduce 3K of a car as rare as the 60 though... especially not this side of summer ...

 

[nickg]

Nick did the facelift 96-98 60 get ESP instead of ASR?

Mine is the '97 model year and it has ASR, not ESP.
I don't know all the ins and outs of the "facelifts". But around 96 they changed the climate control to digital, and also changed the steering wheel design - looks much better.
In around 95 they facelifted the bodykit to a much more modern design.
Later yrs (98/99?) got other bits and bobs such as colour coded mirrors (folding) and door handles and new rear lights etc etc etc. along with the revised engines.

 

[janner]

I'm no SL expert but the interiors changed a lot in '96. There may be other changes too plus some you can't see like wiring looms that don't self destruct.
Pre '96 interior...

'96 on...