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Slightly damaged W211

I always have a smile when I see these threads because I just know that Nick will tell us what is required. One day, one day I will read a post where he wilkl see the vehicle is beyond economic repair.

Anything late and cheap is worth repairing, but only if you either have a source of cheap parts or own a bodyshop.

A good proportion of salvage ends up costing more than a straight car would.

Or will this one test you

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Quick jig and panel and it'll go again...
 
:) I am no metal expert but I wonder how metal reacts to traumatic shock and then being stretched back into place.

The fitting of a new roof skin to a car seems acceptable and no doubt the weld will be the strongest part, but when a new quarter is welded in place, how does this then effect the flexibility of the whole car? In other words a long single piece of metal will perhaps flex in a completely different way to perhaps four pieces that are welded to make one strip of the same length?

These points are questions and NOT criticisms, I am merely asking questions to try to better educate myself about this type of repair.

When will the term cut and shut comne into play?

Would that 211 be the ideal vehicle for a ringer to use as the legitimate vehicle and then steal a similar example with the intention of swapping VIN and registration marks?


Regards
John
 
:) I am no metal expert but I wonder how metal reacts to traumatic shock and then being stretched back into place.

The fitting of a new roof skin to a car seems acceptable and no doubt the weld will be the strongest part, but when a new quarter is welded in place, how does this then effect the flexibility of the whole car? In other words a long single piece of metal will perhaps flex in a completely different way to perhaps four pieces that are welded to make one strip of the same length?

You're just replacing steel with steel, once it's welded in place it's one big piece of metal again.

The only real drawback to fitting rear qtrs are it's a lot of work, and you loose the factory sealed joints, hense panel beating and filler (in moderation)is a better repair in some cases.

When will the term cut and shut comne into play?

You cut and shut a car that has severe front rear or side damage.

Instead of using individual panels you just use bigger chunks.

Provided that it's done properly and you follow factory seams it's an excellent repair method.

That it's a term loved by consumer orgnisations when highlightig botched body repairs.

If you look at USA MB parts websites you'll see front and rear clips, which are front and rear ends being openly sold for bodyshops to use to repair crash damaged cars.

In many countries insurance repairs can use used parts.

Would that 211 be the ideal vehicle for a ringer to use as the legitimate vehicle and then steal a similar example with the intention of swapping VIN and registration marks?

Ringing has all but died out, and ringers much prefer unrecorded cars as they're less likely to come under any inspection.

Don't forget this particular car looks far worse than it, if the wings, damaged doors, bumpers etc were taken off it, the car would quite alot better.
 
You're just replacing steel with steel, once it's welded in place it's one big piece of metal again.

The only real drawback to fitting rear qtrs are it's a lot of work, and you loose the factory sealed joints, hense panel beating and filler (in moderation)is a better repair in some cases.



You cut and shut a car that has severe front rear or side damage.

Instead of using individual panels you just use bigger chunks.

Provided that it's done properly and you follow factory seams it's an excellent repair method.

That it's a term loved by consumer orgnisations when highlightig botched body repairs.

If you look at USA MB parts websites you'll see front and rear clips, which are front and rear ends being openly sold for bodyshops to use to repair crash damaged cars.

In many countries insurance repairs can use used parts.



Ringing has all but died out, and ringers much prefer unrecorded cars as they're less likely to come under any inspection.

Don't forget this particular car looks far worse than it, if the wings, damaged doors, bumpers etc were taken off it, the car would quite alot better.


"bigger chunks" ? like what? a new body shell? This is what is terrifying sometimes - this thing has had one hell of a wack , are you going to X-Ray the hubs, the wheels and other running gear for cracks?

Mate of mine used to fit windscreens for Autoglass or some such outfit and was called to a bag of junk like this thing , when he tried to fit the glass it wouldn't go in the hole , there was about 1/2" of nosh in the top of the roofline , he got paid a goodly wedge to fit the screen privately after first cutting it down to fit -

That thing wants stripping and crushing and it's identity destroying -
 
"bigger chunks" ? like what? a new body shell?-

This 211 just needs to be panelled up as the advert says.

"his is what is terrifying sometimes - this thing has had one hell of a wack , are you going to X-Ray the hubs, the wheels and other running gear for cracks?-

It's just been rolled, there's no need to x-ray anything.

And why would anyone do that??

"Mate of mine used to fit windscreens for Autoglass or some such outfit and was called to a bag of junk like this thing , when he tried to fit the glass it wouldn't go in the hole , there was about 1/2" of nosh in the top of the roofline , he got paid a goodly wedge to fit the screen privately after first cutting it down to fit

There are cowboys in everytrade. One botch job does not condem the entire bodyshop industry.

"That thing wants stripping and crushing and it's identity destroying -

Clearly to someone who actually knows what they are talking about, it's a perfectly safe and ecomimic repair....
 
Hi Nick ,

Not doubting you for a minute , but is no-one else noticing that the rear wheel at the very least it considerably bent under the car ?

This is not panel damage ......

Who knows what the wheels we can't see are like ? Bent axles ? Supsension damage , everyone is aware how complex and technical the suspension is on these new mercs ...
 
Hi Nick ,

Not doubting you for a minute , but is no-one else noticing that the rear wheel at the very least it considerably bent under the car ?

This is not panel damage ......

Who knows what the wheels we can't see are like ? Bent axles ? Supsension damage , everyone is aware how complex and technical the suspension is on these new mercs ...

The rear suspension arms will be bent, presumably it slid, the wheels dug in, the arms bent and over it went.

You'll often see cars with front end damage with a rear wheel tucked in, this is as a result of the impact spinning the rear of the car into the curb and thus bending the rear suspension arms which are just pressed steel and alloy.
 
Cool ....

I'm a simple lad at heart and don't understand these things ...

Still don't think i'd ever want to go in the car after its been fixed though ...

Thanks
 
Cool ....

I'm a simple lad at heart and don't understand these things ...

Still don't think i'd ever want to go in the car after its been fixed though ...

Thanks

Fair enough.

Someone obviously liked it though, the listings ended, sold I assume.
 
When's it being delivered Nick ? ;)
 
Cool ....

I'm a simple lad at heart and don't understand these things ...

Still don't think i'd ever want to go in the car after its been fixed though ...

Thanks
The problem is that if we buy second-hand then it will take someone like Nick to see if our pride and joy has been repaired?

I wonder how many new cars get damaged en-route to the show-room and get repaired in the way Nick has kindly described? :eek:

Regards
John
 
This 211 just needs to be panelled up as the advert says.



It's just been rolled, there's no need to x-ray anything.

And why would anyone do that??



There are cowboys in everytrade. One botch job does not condem the entire bodyshop industry.



Clearly to someone who actually knows what they are talking about, it's a perfectly safe and ecomimic repair....

Who said anything about bodgers ?


Things like hubs etc can crack when they have had a good bash - it's not only what I can see that I find worrying , it's what I can't see . As with everything if you can guarantee that everything is OK , no problem . I wasn't there when it got itself dirty so I don't know what it hit or what made it's wheels go all knock-kneed like that .

You take it to 100 mph afterwards - I wouldn't .
 
I suspect that we are all afraid of the unknown. Those who understand and have experience of car repair are much more comfortable with the idea of a repaired car than those who just see something terrible has happened to their pride and joy. I can't blame them for that!
Couple of weeks ago I did the certifcation crash tests on our new Le Mans car. It was squeezed, pressed, had a 12 tonne force applied to the rollstructure and then thrown at a solid barrier loaded to 1050kg.
The front 'nosebox' from the impact test is the only part we will not use again in building the very first of a brand new marque. (That's less than half is original length)
Should we be building the car with 'brand new' untested parts? I'm happy to use parts that are proven and that have not been subjected to forces beyond their design limit. Fred, the dummy, saw no more than 20g.
When we repair cars at the circuit I have to take an experienced view as to what is replaced and what stays.
I don't suppose it is very different in the road car world, you just have to trust the person who makes that call!:)
 
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But on that car the nosecone is the crumple zone and you wouldn't attempt to repair that. On the W211 the crumple zones are damaged and we are talking about repairing it rather than replacing it. ie. a re-shell.
I'm sure Nick is right and it will go back together but all I know is that whenever I've seen a cat C car repaired there's always the odd 'bit' that is not quite right (usually a panel gap that is not 100%).
 
My 75 met what we thought would be its doom at about 50mph into a tree. The rear suspension was screwed during recovery, both front bags deployed, tensioners blew, screen went, roof was damaged by falling debris.

It was a complete mess and yet cost about 14k to repair on a car that had cost 24k 6 weeks earlier. I ran anothee 80k miles on it in two years, cruised at 140 on the autobahn and had no real problems with it.

My S40 got T-boned by a truck, drivers side, after repair it was as good as new, in fact too good as the newer plastic trim wasn't weathered! I sold it quickly as I found it very difficult to get over the accident and drive it confidently but it was fine.

The E class was rear ended by someone last year, significant merc bodyshop bill ensued but it's like new again. Whenever you buy a second hand car you should assume it's been in the odd scrape (my wife's car was hit while parked today) - as long as repairs are done correctly there's no reason to doubt the integrity of the car.
 
My 75 met what we thought would be its doom at about 50mph into a tree. The rear suspension was screwed during recovery, both front bags deployed, tensioners blew, screen went, roof was damaged by falling debris.

It was a complete mess and yet cost about 14k to repair on a car that had cost 24k 6 weeks earlier. I ran anothee 80k miles on it in two years, cruised at 140 on the autobahn and had no real problems with it.

My S40 got T-boned by a truck, drivers side, after repair it was as good as new, in fact too good as the newer plastic trim wasn't weathered! I sold it quickly as I found it very difficult to get over the accident and drive it confidently but it was fine.

The E class was rear ended by someone last year, significant merc bodyshop bill ensued but it's like new again. Whenever you buy a second hand car you should assume it's been in the odd scrape (my wife's car was hit while parked today) - as long as repairs are done correctly there's no reason to doubt the integrity of the car.

Someone once said to me (and I've said it here before) - all cars begin their life in bits. So if one has been in a crash, then it's the quality of the repair. I believe there are reasonable (though not watertight) standards in place to safeguard this.

And I think someone said something earlier in the thread about the gap in panels on a Cat C repair. I guess most people (asides from us fussy lot here) don't give two hoots about such minor 'detail' as long as the car drives well, is nice and shiny and has a CD player. But it must be very difficult for even the most well equiped bodyshop to even get close to the standards of a manufacturing plant that is equiped with zillions of pounds of computerised machinery.

Here a relatively interesting piece I found on write-offs with a quick scan:

http://www.bodyshopmag.com/features/feature.php?id=1979
 
On the subject of panel gaps there are strict standards for merc approved bodyshops as to panel fit, mine is indistinguishable from new, although the paint is the giveaway - in certain light you can see the blend.

The toyota went off today, replaced with a Zafira for the time being...
 

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