Speed awareness

[PenelopePitstop]

Didn't for me.

They make note of it, but don't actually take it into account for the premium...is what they told me.

My quote went up by £100 when I owned up to SAC done 3 years ago. Added my friend to policy to take it down by £70.

Admiral is always cheapest for me so had no choice other than tell them. Wouldn't want to invalidate policy on 60K car.

 

[219]

Out of interest, would it have changed the way you drive at all if you had seen such photographs?

It certainly changed my driving after I started attending RTC's and taking these photographs

 

[219]

My quote went up by £100 when I owned up to SAC done 3 years ago. Added my friend to policy to take it down by £70.

Admiral is always cheapest for me so had no choice other than tell them. Wouldn't want to invalidate policy on 60K car.

I wouldn't want to invalidate my policy on ANY car , with the risk of becoming personally liable for other peoples' losses/damages , which can very easily be a lot more than £60K .

 

[chester]

Yes I could have dieselman but she is very ill and needs looking after alot.
I really could not take the hazsle of trying to prove why to a judge,
We had left the house without her medication, my fault but my head was somewhere else at the time
.The course is only a short four hrs so i can get it done and out of the way.
Without any hassle and get back to look after the mrs.
Best option for me, but i see where you are coming from

 

[jaymanek]

My mate Dave did the course... he said it was very nice and relaxed...
the free biscuits were well worth the morning off work...

He said it was fun doing a wheel spin on the way out of the car park...

Then he got caught doing 110 on the motorway a month later.. muppet that he is.

In all seriousness though, it was very informative and changed Daves view of speed cameras... well maybe not totally...

 

[st13phil]

The subject of the insurance companies delving for information came up and the police are seriously hacked off about this. Their viewpoint is that the course educates people to become more aware of the dangers of inappropriate speed and therefore, (hopefully) makes for safer drivers and that if an offender knows their indiscretion will be revealed to the insurers, some drivers just won't bother to attend the course resulting in no education.

So their anger is nothing to do with the fact that if insurance companies load premiums for anyone who has attended an SAC they are likely to stop attending, and their plan for supplementing their pension will go down the toilet? Thought not

 

[E55BOF]

Out of interest, would it have changed the way you drive at all if you had seen such photographs?

No, just morbid curiosity

Perhaps I should add, though, that I drive pretty much below, at, or only a fraction above speed limits nearly all the time; I last had an endorsement in 1987. I need my licence to go to work, so tempting fate is not really an option.

 

[E55BOF]

So their anger is nothing to do with the fact that if insurance companies load premiums for anyone who has attended an SAC they are likely to stop attending, and their plan for supplementing their pension will go down the toilet? Thought not

You might wish to consider the possibility that as public servants, they do not see it as part of their job to provide information to enable insurance companies to increase their income at the expense of the public...

 

[E55BOF]

It certainly changed my driving after I started attending RTC's and taking these photographs

I had formed the impression from your posts that you were likely to be a pretty careful and safe driver; is that as a result of your work, or were you already like that beforehand?

 

[st13phil]

You might wish to consider the possibility that as public servants, they do not see it as part of their job to provide information to enable insurance companies to increase their income at the expense of the public...

Over the years I've had the pleasure - and that's not some euphemism - of driving (both on two and four wheels) with a number of both serving and retired TrafPol. All of them freely gave their time, advice and benefit of their knowledge to improve the driving of others. I learned much from them all.

A number of retired TrafPol use their skills to earn a living teaching defensive and other driving techniques. They advertise their services and people pay to learn from them. They are upfront and honest about the whole thing: if you want to learn, I'll teach you in return for payment - just as a music or other teacher may earn a living in the private sector.

However, I cannot help feeling uncomfortable about the whole SAC setup. There's a whole industry that's built up around speed enforcement, with lots and lots of lolly sloshing around and lots of people making a very good living as a result of people being caught exceeding a posted limit. This is all dressed up as some sort of virtuous "serving the community" sort of activity. Maybe it is, but I'm more inclined to believe that if the money were taken out of it those operating it would struggle to be as fervent about how their contribution "saves lives".

 

[Giantvanman]

However, I cannot help feeling uncomfortable about the whole SAC setup. There's a whole industry that's built up around speed enforcement, with lots and lots of lolly sloshing around and lots of people making a very good living as a result of people being caught exceeding a posted limit. This is all dressed up as some sort of virtuous "serving the community" sort of activity. Maybe it is, but I'm more inclined to believe that if the money were taken out of it those operating it would struggle to be as fervent about how their contribution "saves lives".

That may be true. When this scheme started, it provided the motorist with a 'get out of jail with no points card' and was the vehicle to provide education. With all things nowadays, there will always be those who seek to take advantage one way or another.

If I found myself on one of these courses, however, I would very much like it delivered by a crusty ex-traffic policeman than some no-experience sanctimonious do-gooder doing their so-called civic duty.

 

[cb1965]

However, I cannot help feeling uncomfortable about the whole SAC setup. There's a whole industry that's built up around speed enforcement, with lots and lots of lolly sloshing around and lots of people making a very good living as a result of people being caught exceeding a posted limit. This is all dressed up as some sort of virtuous "serving the community" sort of activity. Maybe it is, but I'm more inclined to believe that if the money were taken out of it those operating it would struggle to be as fervent about how their contribution "saves lives".

100% agree with this! If or when I get caught I will take the points as I am buggered if I am going to a) be patronised for a day and b) contribute to their little industry dressed up as a safety campaign with all the self satisfied smugness of Jamie Oliver on a bad day!

 

[Deleted member 6183]

100% agree with this! If or when I get caught I will take the points as I am buggered if I am going to a) be patronised for a day and b) contribute to their little industry dressed up as a safety campaign with all the self satisfied smugness of Jamie Oliver on a bad day!

In all honesty I think you are absolutely right to make that decision, you would most likely be a disruption on the course.

I have found them to be well run, slightly humorous and non patronising. The only downside are the delegates with the wrong attitude sulking during the 4 hours.

 

[BandyAndy]

I have found them to be well run, slightly humorous and non patronising. The only downside are the delegates with the wrong attitude sulking during the 4 hours.

That is exactly how my Mrs described her experience of the course

 

[st13phil]

That is exactly how my Mrs described her experience of the course

And her attendance at same was so beneficial that she's already picked up another ticket for exceeding the speed limit.

Everyone's a winner...

 

[Dieselman]

In all honesty I think you are absolutely right to make that decision, you would most likely be a disruption on the course.

I have found them to be well run, slightly humorous and non patronising. The only downside are the delegates with the wrong attitude sulking during the 4 hours.

On the Krypton Factor, you would score 10/10 for your observational skills...

I did one of these courses and was staggered at how little many of the delegates knew about general road use.

I found the part where they were telling us that it's safer for pedestrians if we drive a bit slower and in a safe manner highly amusing, as I was sporting multiple injuries including not being able to stand up, move my head properly and a fractured elbow, from being run over two weeks previously.

 

[BandyAndy]

And her attendance at same was so beneficial that she's already picked up another ticket for exceeding the speed limit.

Everyone's a winner...

You're quite right !!
But to be fair, the second ticket was before the course was attended.


She's still not driving the Merc though

 

[Meldrew2]

.. I did one of these courses and was staggered at how little many of the delegates knew about general road use.

It's more than just their speed that a lotof drivers need awareness training for.

 

[cb1965]

In all honesty I think you are absolutely right to make that decision, you would most likely be a disruption on the course.

I have found them to be well run, slightly humorous and non patronising. The only downside are the delegates with the wrong attitude sulking during the 4 hours.

There is of course a whole heap of irony here in that you have needed to go on one and I haven't.... make of that what you will

Hang on, you said 'them'... you have been on more than one? They obviously work well then

 

[cb1965]

On the Krypton Factor, you would score 10/10 for your observational skills...

I did one of these courses and was staggered at how little many of the delegates knew about general road use.

I found the part where they were telling us that it's safer for pedestrians if we drive a bit slower and in a safe manner highly amusing, as I was sporting multiple injuries including not being able to stand up, move my head properly and a fractured elbow, from being run over two weeks previously.

Did the police have an extremely long list of possible suspects for who may have run you down?