Speeding Ticket!!

[Bill.]

Had a ticket come through about 4weeks ago and the name and address was all incorrect but it was my vehicle. (Address had the correct door number and correct post code so that was enough for it to reach me).
So I returned it saying not known at This address.
It then come through again but this time 100%correct. I returned it with my partners details on it and they sent back another ticket asking me to complete it again as the driver in the picture looked like a male and of coarse I put my partners details on there. (Female) !!
Can they say that??

 

[itaintemeyouno]

Yes. they returned one that my wife sent with her father's details. Bear in mind that if it's fairly obvious that the pictures show a male and that you claim it's female, you risk being done for Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice (like the politician and his ex wife last year)

 

[evdok]

My advice is give the correct details as the punishment for giving false details is rather harsh.

 

[Abb]

I have to say I agree with evdok. You got caught speeding, man up and admit it, take the punishment, put it behind you and move on! Simples!!

 

[RWDpetrol]

Ask for the photo to help you identify driver and do your duty as the owner. Many of us swap drivers on long journeys so it's easy to not know for sure.

They have to send you the photo.

 

[abecketts]

I'd agree with evdok too, also writing about it on an internet forum might not help your case m'lud

 

[flango]

more and more prosecutions going through now for "perverting the course of justice" because people think the other half can take the hit for them. Not that simple these days with the new camera technology

 

[camerafodder]

Had a ticket come through about 4weeks ago and the name and address was all incorrect but it was my vehicle. (Address had the correct door number and correct post code so that was enough for it to reach me).
So I returned it saying not known at This address.
It then come through again but this time 100%correct. I returned it with my partners details on it and they sent back another ticket asking me to complete it again as the driver in the picture looked like a male and of coarse I put my partners details on there. (Female) !!
Can they say that??

Simple question for you Bill, Who was driving?

 

[Bill.]

Simple question for you Bill, Who was driving?

Well when it first come through we was unsure as it was the a13 and all 3 of us use the car and that road so we just said my partner as she uses it most and has no points. But if they have photo proof then must have been me.

 

[st13phil]

They have to send you the photo.

No they don't.

But most will as long as you don't mention the word "evidence".

To the OP: Yes, they can do that. They are offering you a chance to "correct an error", but if you're genuinely unsure whether it was you or your other half driving, it wouldn't hurt to ask if you can see a copy of the photo to help identify the driver - especially as you say that there are three possible drivers.

 

[Dieselman]

so we just said my partner as she uses it most and has no points. But if they have photo proof then must have been me.

Of course they have photographic evidence, that's what a camera does.

If it must have been you if they have a photo, how did you not know it was you to start with?

^

 

[Touche]

I had a similar situation in 2009 where I was unsure which of 3 drivers had been driving my car while i was away and nobody owned up to it. I just sent a letter back to that effect enclosing the ticket without anything filled in and asked for camera shots to help me identify a driver. They sent back a blurry photo so i sent a letter stating i didnt know who was driving and couldnt identify them... i got a letter back saying theyd drop the ticket!

 

[E55BOF]

"If it must have been you if they have a photo, how did you not know it was you to start with?" If the other two possible drivers are female, would that not explain it? Come on, gentlemen, give the man the benefit of the doubt... Who among us would rush to take a speeding ticket? If his wife is the most frequent user of the car, it is at least arguable that she is the most likely culprit.

"The driver in the picture looked like a male" could mean anything. In whose judgement, and by what criteria? Crystal-clear photograph, or blurry image that in reality could be male, female, orang-utang, or Darth Vader with his helmet off? I know men who could be taken for women, and vice-versa (and some might choose to be, but that's another story...)

If it were me, unless I was certain that I was driving I would explain that the driver could be any of three people, and at this remove I did not know who it was, and would ask for a copy of the photo to assist in identifying him or her. When you receive the photograph, it may or may not help; if it is still not possible to tell, write back saying so. I rather think in that case the registered keeper will be liable, but they might not pursue the matter if the photograph is genuinely unclear.

 

[meeeb]

.... but they might not pursue the matter if the photograph is genuinely unclear.

And pigs might fly.

 

[st13phil]

If it were me, unless I was certain that I was driving I would explain that the driver could be any of three people, and at this remove I did not know who it was, and would ask for a copy of the photo to assist in identifying him or her.

I agree (it's what I suggested a couple of posts back).

When you receive the photograph, it may or may not help; if it is still not possible to tell, write back saying so. I rather think in that case the registered keeper will be liable, but they might not pursue the matter if the photograph is genuinely unclear.

No, unless you want to be on the end of a "failure to furnish" charge and a slam-dunk 6 points.

You must unequivocally identify the driver within 28 days of the S172 request. If you don't (or can't), you will be charged and you will be invited to explain why you shouldn't be found guilty of failing to provide the identity of the driver to a magistrate. Unless you have a very good, and totally plausible, reason this will result in 6 points on your licence and a very heavy fine.

In cases where there is genuine doubt, you would need to demonstrate that you have taken all practical steps to identify the driver, and convince the magistrates that you could not reasonably work out who it was. Many people who find themselves in this position reason that it is a better and safer option to name themselves and suck up the 3 points and fixed penalty fine.

Is that justice? Not in my view, but that's the way it works.

 

[Bill.]

I agree (it's what I suggested a couple of posts back).No, unless you want to be on the end of a "failure to furnish" charge and a slam-dunk 6 points. You must unequivocally identify the driver within 28 days of the S172 request. If you don't (or can't), you will be charged and you will be invited to explain why you shouldn't be found guilty of failing to provide the identity of the driver to a magistrate. Unless you have a very good, and totally plausible, reason this will result in 6 points on your licence and a very heavy fine. In cases where there is genuine doubt, you would need to demonstrate that you have taken all practical steps to identify the driver, and convince the magistrates that you could not reasonably work out who it was. Many people who find themselves in this position reason that it is a better and safer option to name themselves and suck up the 3 points and fixed penalty fine. Is that justice? Not in my view, but that's the way it works.

Yes to be honest I agree! Not really what I want to do but certainly the easiest option as I know someone who sent it back unfurnished and your right he got 6 points and £400 fine!

 

[John]

You could try wearing lipstick and eyeliner to see if that aids your situation in future.

 

[Scott_F]

You could try wearing lipstick and eyeliner to see if that aids your situation in future.

It's not the weekend yet.