Speeding ticket - unknown driver

[TC350]

Advising anyone to commit perjury is not, imo, particularly wise.

Doing so publicly is even less wise.

 

[Skd884]

Agree my mate is a naughty boy/girl!

 

[Petrol Pete]

Did anyone read the link I posted #3 ??

Lying can have very serious consequences.

 

[markjay]

Did anyone read the link I posted #3 ??

Lying can have very serious consequences.

As does having an affair with your press secretary while married........

 

[Darrell]

Hi , Mrs Boyband worked for a large construction company.

Had so many issues with speeding tickets that they put in place the following system. Each employee who had a company vehicle was the only person allowed to drive the allocated car / van unless permission was granted by the company secretary who kept complete records.

Allocating a vehicle to a driver worked reduced speeding tickets by over 90% , no exception to the rule.

Sounds like a very simple system.

 

[Darrell]

I can’t believe all the crap on this thread. The OP is an adult and he’s telling us he can’t remember who was driving a bloody car at a particular time within the last couple of weeks.

This is a Mercedes forum that has the most anal people (re their cars) that I’ve ever been acquainted with. People here keep spreadsheets of their driving!

He’s been given 3 pages of advice ffs.

 

[colinallcars]

I can’t believe all the crap on this thread. The OP is an adult and he’s telling us he can’t remember who was driving a bloody car at a particular time within the last couple of weeks.

This is a Mercedes forum that has the most anal people (re their cars) that I’ve ever been acquainted with. People here keep spreadsheets of their driving!

He’s been given 3 pages of advice ffs.

Indeed. Just own up, take the punishment and move on.

 

[Benz17]

I can’t believe all the crap on this thread. The OP is an adult and he’s telling us he can’t remember who was driving a bloody car at a particular time within the last couple of weeks.

This is a Mercedes forum that has the most anal people (re their cars) that I’ve ever been acquainted with. People here keep spreadsheets of their driving!

He’s been given 3 pages of advice ffs.

Maybe OP could be advised to use a spreadsheet for who drives on what day going forward.

 

[Darrell]

Maybe OP could be advised to use a spreadsheet for who drives on what day going forward.

Perhaps he could. Might save a right load of grief.

 

[DITTRICH]

In cases like this, with a likely limited and incomplete picture of all the facts, any advice is going to be largely useless. Only the OP can really decide what to do. A redacted scan of the NIP letter would answer some important questions, but people will try and minimise the financial consequences (if they can agree on it). There are guidelines issued by each force ( I think) which show the categorisation of speed, the limit applicable, and the excess speed which, together with a fault free record will determine if a speed awareness case will be offered. A lesser known fact is how long the flag will remain on the database which will affect if a subsequent speed awareness course my be offered. I think the time the record remains is more than 2 years and less than 3 years, but the exact time limit I don't know. I would advise posting the NIP back, filled out, by registered mail and print out the proof the item was delivered. At this point you will have a very good idea (from your internet research and/or the facts) as to whether you will be offered a course e.g.

https://www.essex.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/rs/road-safety/speeding/if-youve-received-a-speed-camera-activation-letter-or-notice/#:~:text=The%20police%20will%20consider%20the,in%20a%2030%20mph%20area

Speed awareness courses can be done by zoom these days, but a proper course is far better as you will find out all the poor sods in the same situation as you. Almost everyone ends up on a course at some point.

 

[TC350]

Almost everyone ends up on a course at some point.

Almost everyone or almost everyone who gets caught speeding?

 

[sgregory124]

Maybe OP could be advised to use a spreadsheet for who drives on what day going forward.

Or perhaps both he and his wife need a complete medical, sounds like they're both suffering from selective memory loss. I have zero time for BS like that, as others have said, it's time to put the big boy (or girl) pants on and pay the fine. Instead of trying to avoid it or taking up that absolutely moronic suggestion of making up an address and false name (unless you really want to get familiar with your local courthouse).

 

[markjay]

On a related note... one of the lease cars at work just had its plates stolen last night. Sounds like the begining of a nightmare scenario, especially on a lease car.

 

[Trickythemerc]

The title of this thread is nonsense..............pure and simple. The driver is not unknown at all, it;s one of two people who are known to each other who can't or don't want to remember who was driving the car at the time of the offence. Messing about with some stupid stunt to try and frustrate the legal system is futile.

At worst it will be three points and an FP at best an awareness course and £80/90 quid. The awareness course might be a good idea, maybe make the OP more aware of what's going on in their lives.

 

[ALFAitalia]

A human i know had 2 speeding tickets from the old bill he fabricated a name and used a empty commercial premises for the address, never heard from the old bill again.

Job done.

He was lucky....wont work normally. A friend named his mate that had been driving but accidently had a mistake in the address. After the police hearing nothing from them the NIP bounced straight back to my mate. Clearly if it was that simple everyone would do it and the plod would soon close that loop hole.

 

[Alfie]

In cases like this, with a likely limited and incomplete picture of all the facts, any advice is going to be largely useless. Only the OP can really decide what to do. A redacted scan of the NIP letter would answer some important questions, but people will try and minimise the financial consequences (if they can agree on it). There are guidelines issued by each force ( I think) which show the categorisation of speed, the limit applicable, and the excess speed which, together with a fault free record will determine if a speed awareness case will be offered. A lesser known fact is how long the flag will remain on the database which will affect if a subsequent speed awareness course my be offered. I think the time the record remains is more than 2 years and less than 3 years, but the exact time limit I don't know. I would advise posting the NIP back, filled out, by registered mail and print out the proof the item was delivered. At this point you will have a very good idea (from your internet research and/or the facts) as to whether you will be offered a course e.g.

https://www.essex.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/rs/road-safety/speeding/if-youve-received-a-speed-camera-activation-letter-or-notice/#:~:text=The%20police%20will%20consider%20the,in%20a%2030%20mph%20area

Speed awareness courses can be done by zoom these days, but a proper course is far better as you will find out all the poor sods in the same situation as you. Almost everyone ends up on a course at some point.

Hmmmmm..

Sentencing guidelines are national and not particular to any one or more forces. All police use the same law. Individual discretion almost certainly does vary. The limits at which fines/points rise are fixed in the sentencing guidelines.

There are four different speed awareness courses and the limit is one of each per three years. It is entirely possible to sit all four within a three year period. It is not possible to sit any one type more than once in a three year period.

Points stay active on the licence for three years for the purposes of 'totting up' They remain present on the record of your driving for four years unless they relate to a disqualification in which case its longer. Drink/drug driving offences are considered a criminal offence and as they can carry a custodial sentence, remain on ones criminal record for at least 35 years.

Failing to provide a drivers details carries a band C fine and six points. A band C fine is 1.5x your weekly pay. A fine of £660 occurs when a defendent fails to declare their income. It is assumed to be £440 per week, hence a £660 fine.

I am aware of a driver who was twice photographed speeding and each time he got a NIP he claimed it was a relative who was resident in Africa who had been driving the car. He provided the name and overseas address. Needless to say his registration was flagged on ANPR and the third time resulted in him being visited. Perjury carries a custodial sentence.

 

[Williamwoo]

Thanks all for further comments.

The driver is ‘unknown’ as, although it was one of two, we genuinely don’t know which one it was – hence ‘unknown’. The notice of intending prosecution arrived 19 days after the event (although it was dated only 9 days after). We do not know who was driving at that time 19 days previously – as mentioned, we do a lot of local journeys, the i3 being the car of first choice. If you share a car with a partner and use it similarly and you can remember who was driving nearly 3 weeks earlier, you have a better memory than me.

All that said, one of us will own up to it. Neither of us has any points and neither of us have the time or inclination to fabricate some ludicrous yarn about lending the car to a fictitious person from a fictitious address (a ‘bloke down the pub said…’ story if ever I heard one!). More pertinently, neither of us wants comeback from having our mobile phone records location-checked - we don’t seem to have Google-maps tracking enabled (a reference to someone’s earlier post), but presumably this data is available to the police from phone providers (? - no idea if this is true), so one of us will bite the bullet and avoid unwittingly perjuring ourselves.

 

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[Alfie]

Thanks all for further comments.

The driver is ‘unknown’ as, although it was one of two, we genuinely don’t know which one it was – hence ‘unknown’. The notice of intending prosecution arrived 19 days after the event (although it was dated only 9 days after). We do not know who was driving at that time 19 days previously – as mentioned, we do a lot of local journeys, the i3 being the car of first choice. If you share a car with a partner and use it similarly and you can remember who was driving nearly 3 weeks earlier, you have a better memory than me.

All that said, one of us will own up to it. Neither of us has any points and neither of us have the time or inclination to fabricate some ludicrous yarn about lending the car to a fictitious person from a fictitious address (a ‘bloke down the pub said…’ story if ever I heard one!). More pertinently, neither of us wants comeback from having our mobile phone records location-checked - we don’t seem to have Google-maps tracking enabled (a reference to someone’s earlier post), but presumably this data is available to the police from phone providers (? - no idea if this is true), so one of us will bite the bullet and avoid unwittingly perjuring ourselves.

I think you have made a wise choice.

Yes the police can access phone location data regardless of what options you have or dont have. They can get the cell tower data from the providers and pin point your phone simply with it turned on. Of course in your case that wouldnt help them if you and your wife were both in the car at the time.

Its a very very common mistake criminals make. They take their phone with them during the commision of a crime. They then deny it when caught and claim they were elsewhere. It all falls apart when the police say 'but sir we can place your mobile phone at that scene at the precise time on the incident!'.

 

[Dippo]

If you are both nominated as the main driver on any of your cars, then I would suggest you 'grass up' the person with with the cheaper insurance premium, as it may be affected by a conviction.