stiffer shox for w124 300e

[WesLangdon]

my 300e w124 saloon comes with standard fairly soft suspension, I have sourced lowering spings but want to match them to shorter and stiffer dampers, can anyone make a recommendation please?

 

[grober]

Parts catalogue

you need the sprint shocks

Parts catalogue

 

[WesLangdon]

thanks, is it just William Stones or do Boge/Sachs and Koni have alternatives too?

 

[BlackC55]

Bilstein B8 is my choice.

 

[WesLangdon]

Yes but £600 is a lot and I have had better experience of Boge than any other damper, but price has to be a major consideration on an old car.

 

[grober]

They possibly do heavy duty ones but shorter stroke dampers/struts for lowered suspension???? ---I'm not sure -- Boge/Sachs used to supply the Sportline ones for MB at one time. http://webcat.zf.com/index.asp?SPR=4

 

[WesLangdon]

thanks for that, two options Boge and Sachs, not sure why as they are the same company and I think that the Sachs at least are available from Euro Car parts, so I will match the sportline dampers to my Apex lowering springs.

 

[chopper_harris]

Sachs and Boge are both part of ZF group, but are not comparable.

Sachs parts are made in Germany, Boge in Mexico.

ECP website is misleading, their prices are for the cheaper Sachs 'Supertouring' line (OEM quality). They cannot supply the 'Advantage' range, which are a mild ug from the OEM damping, and great value for money.

Last year I ordered a set of 4 Sachs, and they supplied 2 Sachs fronts plus 2 Boge rears. The quality difference is obvious, and I returned the Boge units as they were not what I ordered.

The 'Advantage' units can be ordered from General Traffic or Andrew Page

 

[EuroCarParts]

Hi guys,

Chopper is right, SACHs are the premium range from ZF - and ECP are the UKs largest distributor of SACHs shocks! - Occasionally there may be mistakes such as the above where ZF (or our buying team) accidently infill with the wrong brand, which inturn arrive to customers - i'm very sorry about that, However we do not supply BOGE shocks.

As far as I know SACHS don't produce shortened dampers - IF i'm mistaken, please let me know the SACHs number and i can cross it over.

We are the UKs largest SACHs supplier - so even if its not a stock line, As long as SACHs still produce it, then we can get it!

Patrick

 

[grober]

Sachs do Sportline dampers- according to their online catalogue here WebCat 3 . Front PART NO SACHS115 070 rear PART NO SACHS 106 879

 

[EuroCarParts]

Sachs do Sportline dampers- according to their online catalogue here WebCat 3 . Front PART NO SACHS115 070 rear PART NO SACHS 106 879

Cheers Graeme

Using those SACHs refs i cross them over to the following:

635220720 - SACHS FRONT S/ABSORBER SPORTLINE MERC W201 / W124 / HD FR
Supplier Model: Super Touring
Item replaces:SACHS 115070
Web Price: £122.40 (Priced Per Shock Absorber)
Forum Price: £91.80
Comparison numbers:
A1243200430 A1243200830 A1243201930 A1243203430 A1243203530 A124323*630 A1243204130 A1243204230 A1243205530 A1243205630 A1243206030 A1243206430
Sachs - Euro Car Parts UK

635220800 - SACHS S/ABSORBER GAS MERC 200-500 / E-CLASS RR
Supplier Model: Super Touring
Item replaces:SACHS 106879
Web Price: £82.80 (Priced Per Shock Absorber)
Forum Price: £62.10
Comparison numbers:
A1243200131 A1243200331 A1243200831 A1243201131 A1243201731 A1243201931 A1243202331 A1243260700 A1243261000 A1243261500 A1243262000 A1243262400
Sachs - Euro Car Parts UK

Does that look right?

 

[grober]

Can't really comment on the part nos as a search of the online catalogue did not come up with anything on the numbers you quoted--- however they may even be country related and not quoted in the UK part of the catalogue. As they are "designated" as " Sportline" they should be shorter stroke but because they are "replacement" they may be "next best fit possible " if they are regarded as a run out line. I have heard tales of heavy duty = stiffer { BUT normal stroke } shocks being legitimately offered as nearest and only replacements available for Sportline shocks for cars [ USA forums] so difficult to say for sure without technical details of the shock in question. I guess the poster could Email SACHS direct for technical specs of the shock numbers you quoted- [ there's a link on the catalogue somewhere?] To be honest its the only way to be sure unless someone on the forum has used these already.

 

[EuroCarParts]

Can't really comment on the part nos as a search of the online catalogue did not come up with anything on the numbers you quoted---

Graeme - The parts i posted above ARE the SACHS parts you listed
Front PART NO SACHS115 070 rear PART NO SACHS 106 879 -

however they may even be country related

Exactly - it might be coincidence, but that SACHs number brings up alot of USA websites

I guess the poster could Email SACHS direct for technical specs of the shock numbers you quoted- [ there's a link on the catalogue somewhere?] To be honest its the only way to be sure unless someone on the forum has used these already.

This would probably be the best idea - SACHS may be able to provide measurements (size and performance) comparable to the original part.
These are the limited details i have from our catalogue:

ECP No: 635220720
SACHS No: SAC 115070 (Replaces SAC 100555 & SAC 100600)
FITTING POS: FRONT
PARAMTER: SFE36/22X168A, Gas Pressure, Suspension Strut, Twin-Tube
REPLACES PART NUMBER: A1243200430 A1243200830 A1243201930 A1243203430 A1243203530 A124323*630 A1243204130 A1243204230 A1243205530 A1243205630 A1243206030 A1243206430


ECP No: 635220800
SACH No: SAC 106879 (Replaces SAC 106881)
FITTING POS: REAR
PARAMTER: Top pin, Bottom eye, Parameter ETOV36X108A2, Gas Pressure, Monotube
REPLACES PART NUMBER: A1243200131 A1243200331 A1243200831 A1243201131 A1243201731 A1243201931 A1243202331 A1243260700 A1243261000 A1243261500 A1243262000 A1243262400

Hope that helps

Patrick

 

[grober]

Sorry misunderstood thought the part nos you quoted were the SACHS alternative nos! So are these even SACHS SHOCKS we are talking about or a nearest substitute from an alternative manufacturer altogether . Its not clear from what you are saying - sorry if I'm being a bit thick here? The data you quote all corresponds to- and presumable derives from the Sachs catalogue -- but no actual Sachs part nos if you see what I mean. I will try to be a bit clearer if these alternatives are accurate "clones " of the Sachs shocks they will indeed "fit the bill" - they will however be made by someone else [ who remains unknown at present] which may defeat the whole purpose of the exercise if the poster wants shocks made by SACHS. This is starting to remind me a little of the golf TV advert.
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[EuroCarParts]

Sorry misunderstood thought the part nos you quoted were the SACHS alternative nos! So are these even SACHS SHOCKS we are talking about or a nearest substitute from an alternative manufacturer altogether . Its not clear from what you are saying - sorry if I'm being a bit thick here? The data you quote all corresponds to- and presumable derives from the Sachs catalogue -- but no actual Sachs part nos if you see what I mean.

Sorry Graeme, My fault, i'm not being too clear

The above parts, are purchased from SACHS (ZFT) Using the Part numbers you quoted, Where i have written 'Replaces' it means that SACHS have replaced their old reference with the new ones (the new ones which you supplied)

ECP No: 635220720
SACHS No: SAC 115070 (Replaces SAC 100555 & SAC 100600)

ECP No: 635220800
SACH No: SAC 106879 (Replaces SAC 106881)

We put the prefix 'SAC' infront of the supplier number, to ensure that ZF dont send us a BOGE shock (which may have the same reference / part number) - As you see from the above, we still have the odd occassion where ZF provide a BOGE shock by accident, but these are limited)

So, to sum it up - if you order the 2 ECP numbers above - you would receive the 2 SACHs parts which you listed (whether they are correct or not, or a whole separate kettle of fish, however we are both using the SACHs catalogue, and returning the same parts )

Patrick

 

[grober]

Fair play Patrick I am now convinced. Up to the OP now I guess.

 

[WesLangdon]

thanks for the above, still a slight quandry though as I have a BOGE lowering kit. And although BOGE and Sachs are the same company I don't know if they are compatible?

 

[Dieselman]

Sachs and Boge are both part of ZF group, but are not comparable.

Sachs parts are made in Germany, Boge in Mexico.

thanks for the above, still a slight quandry though as I have a BOGE lowering kit. And although BOGE and Sachs are the same company I don't know if they are compatible?

Both are made throughout the World and are comparable. Mercedes fit Boge as standard sometimes, Sach others, and Bilstien others.

We need the first part of your VIN really, but assuming it's 124.030, then I think you want.
Sach 115-070 for the front, Boge 36-612-C
Sach 106-879 for the rear, Boge 36-A06-0

These are for cars with sports suspension.