Subtle Mods for a W211 E55AMG

[AMGeed]

I might just bite the bullet and go down the long tube header route, wasn't going to go that far with mods but seeing as i need to do a repair that end i be as well go all in?

Go for it
83mm pulley and remap and you'll need nothing else.
I've heard Red Star are the brand to get.

 

[north-star]

Go for it
83mm pulley and remap and you'll need nothing else.
I've heard Red Star are the brand to get.

Red Star do the long tube headers for rhd cars, i can only find ones for lhd cars that need some work on them to fit!

 

[north-star]

Anyone used VRP headers before?

 

[AMGeed]

Have a look of their feedback on MBWorld. It doesn't make good reading.
I would avoid them totally.

 

[north-star]

Yeah, bit of a mixed bag and a bit of a gamble, my heads pickled with this, gutted infact as no matter what that's the car off the road for a month at least! I've emailed MSL about headers, see what they say tomorrow. CKS can get Kleeman headers but they are short ones and £1300 and still need modified to fit, can't understand why you can't buy new oem ones for a rhd car anymore!

 

[Bellow]

I don't have the time to research it but exploring further the welding possibility should be worth a shot. If post weld heat treatment (heat uniformly to high temp and allow to cool slowly) is required there is a company in Aberdeen that can do that for you.

 

[north-star]

I don't have the time to research it but exploring further the welding possibility should be worth a shot. If post weld heat treatment (heat uniformly to high temp and allow to cool slowly) is required there is a company in Aberdeen that can do that for you.

Hi there,

Thanks for the reply and info but i'm in talks with Kleemann and i think i'm just going to go and do some upgrades

Kleemann headers and a boost kit with pulley and ECU upgrade should keep me happy

 

[north-star]

I don't have the time to research it but exploring further the welding possibility should be worth a shot. If post weld heat treatment (heat uniformly to high temp and allow to cool slowly) is required there is a company in Aberdeen that can do that for you.

But if you can remember the name of the company that would be great, i can speak to them also.

 

[Bellow]

But if you can remember the name of the company that would be great, i can speak to them also.

Research the possibility of welding and the required post weld heat treatment first.

 

[north-star]

Research the possibility of welding and the required post weld heat treatment first.

Well Diack Motors who looked at the car said the manifold couldn't be repaired by welding.

So not sure if what you say is even possible.

 

[Bellow]

Well Diack Motors who looked at the car said the manifold couldn't be repaired by welding.

It's welders not mechanics that need to be asked.

So not sure if what you say is even possible.

If it is, I know someone with the expertise to do it. But neither him or the heat treatment company will do your research for you.

 

[north-star]

It's welders not mechanics that need to be asked.

If it is, I know someone with the expertise to do it. But neither him or the heat treatment company will do your research for you.

Sorry i'm not sure what you are asking me for here or if you are genuinely wanting to help?

If you know someone who can help then great, pass on their info and i will speak to them myself.

If i need to speak to welders and you know some welders i'm not sure why you are then asking me to go and do some research, i don't work on the car myself, i don't know what the crack is like etc and i don't want to be driving it around various welding shops for them to look at and possibly tell me it can be repaired or not.

 

[Bellow]

Sorry i'm not sure what you are asking me for here or if you are genuinely wanting to help?

And I can't tell if you want the manifold repaired or new headers.

If you know someone who can help then great, pass on their info and i will speak to them myself.

You assume he will speak to you.

If i need to speak to welders and you know some welders i'm not sure why you are then asking me to go and do some research,

i don't work on the car myself, i don't know what the crack is like etc and i don't want to be driving it around various welding shops for them to look at and possibly tell me it can be repaired or not.

You need to know if it's possible based on the material composition of the manifold. Is it purely cast iron or more likely an alloy containing other elements? Someone somewhere will know closely enough for a welder to then judge if it's feasible and what filler rod is required and, what if any post weld heat treatment is required.

 

[DaveE320CDI]

Hi North star, Its true what Bellow says cast iron can be welded! but its quite a involved process with pre-heating the item usually in a oven up to temperature so it is even throughout the casting and then welded this is to prevent the casting cracking as it cools so yes welding is possible PS i know this because it was one of the welding courses that i did as a apprentice we use to practice on old cast iron fuse boxes after we smashed them up

 

[Bellow]

I'd forgotten about pre-heating. Which complicates things as the heat treatment firm I had in mind appears to have ceased trading. The welder I have in mind wont have pre (pre can probably be accomplished with a torch but post is deep heat via blankets) or post heating facilities.

 

[north-star]

Kleemann headers it is

 

[Bellow]

Kleemann headers it is

Best bet by the looks. I just had a chat about this with the welder I had in mind and the composition of the manifold needs to be known not just for the type of filler rod but for how to actually weld it as there is more than one method. At least one method requires the manifold be bolted to an immovable surface (eg, old cyl head) to prevent warping. Heat treatment pre and post also material dependent. One of those jobs that gets complicated out of all proportion very rapidly - and costs with it.

 

[north-star]

Best bet by the looks. I just had a chat about this with the welder I had in mind and the composition of the manifold needs to be known not just for the type of filler rod but for how to actually weld it as there is more than one method. At least one method requires the manifold be bolted to an immovable surface (eg, old cyl head) to prevent warping. Heat treatment pre and post also material dependent. One of those jobs that gets complicated out of all proportion very rapidly - and costs with it.

Yeah the more i think of it the more of a minefield it becomes.

I'm going to get the Kleemann short headers with catless downpipes and the boost kit and ECU tune from them, should be a decent upgrade package albeit a little expensive. Still a lot cheaper than going via CKS performance though.

 

[AMGeed]

Yeah the more i think of it the more of a minefield it becomes.

I'm going to get the Kleemann short headers with catless downpipes and the boost kit and ECU tune from them, should be a decent upgrade package albeit a little expensive. Still a lot cheaper than going via CKS performance though.

CKS Performance work the same sales methods as VRP.
They buy kit in cheaply from China/Far east, stick their badge on it along with a big hike in price and sell to UK customers.

Have you had a look at Aliexpress?
Some of the downpipes look tempting considering the asking prices.

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[north-star]

CKS Performance work the same sales methods as VRP.
They buy kit in cheaply from China/Far east, stick their badge on it along with a big hike in price and sell to UK customers.

Have you had a look at Aliexpress?
Some of the downpipes look tempting considering the asking prices.

exhaust header for mercedes benz w211 e55 exhaust system amg - AliExpress 34

Smarter Shopping, Better Living! Aliexpress.com

www.aliexpress.com

Yes i was pondering these but i'm just scared that with them being from China it ends up causing me more issues down the line than spending a bit more on a Kleemann kit.