Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[ALFAitalia]

It says it because they get lots of later modern classic.....according to the article.

 

[Will]

It says it because they get lots of later modern classic.....according to the article.

I’m not sure £12.50 is that much to pay to attend a one-off car show event in any case?

 

[ALFAitalia]

Agreed.......but that's on top the £12 (last year...so prob more this year) entry fee and off course many of those going for a look see will be in more modern cars.

 

[Dryce]

Sounds like a bit of a cop out.

Bus lane effect.

Setup a bus lane with part time restrictions - and a proportion of drivers will always avoid driving in it - treating it as 24 hours.

I know people central Scotland who have LEZ compliant cars who won't take their cars near Glasgow city centre any more.

I suspect that with the ULEZ there will be those who stay out completely even for one off situations where £12.50 would be the equivalent of a daily parking charge.

 

[Will]

Bus lane effect.

Setup a bus lane with part time restrictions - and a proportion of drivers will always avoid driving in it - treating it as 24 hours.

I know people central Scotland who have LEZ compliant cars who won't take their cars near Glasgow city centre any more.

I suspect that with the ULEZ there will be those who stay out completely even for one off situations where £12.50 would be the equivalent of a daily parking charge.

Hasn’t been any noticeable affect on traffic levels since the expansion of the ULEZ at the end of last summer.

Probably as the majority of vehicles driving in the zone were compliant anyway, and those that weren’t have changed to compliant ones with a minority opting to pay the charge as required for the time being.

There will no doubt be a few exceptions but I suspect I am generally correct with my observations

(Despite all the rhetoric you see on some forums, press and social media groups at the time!)

 

[Will]

Agreed.......but that's on top the £12 (last year...so prob more this year) entry fee and off course many of those going for a look see will be in more modern cars.

Modern cars are generally okay - most petrol cars made since the early 00s are okay (20+ years old now) and how many diesels do you get at classic cars shows?

40+ year old cars are exempt.

So they can afford the entry fee and fuel costs to attend, those driving cars between 23 and 39 years old (and that aren’t taken on trailers!) can pay £12.50 for the one off event - hardly a newsworthy story is it?

Probably the price of lunch from the burger van and a cuppa?

 

[John N]

Modern cars are generally okay - most petrol cars made since the early 00s are okay (20+ years old now) and how many diesels do you get at classic cars shows?

40+ year old cars are exempt.

So they can afford the entry fee and fuel costs to attend, those driving cars between 23 and 39 years old (and that aren’t taken on trailers!) can pay £12.50 for the one off event - hardly a newsworthy story is it?

Probably the price of lunch from the burger van and a cuppa?

Post Hijack:

Are cars that are NOT Compliant, but are on a Trailer, but Trigger the ULEZ Camera or other Detection System, charged the £12.50?

 

[W1ghty]

Post Hijack:

Are cars that are NOT Compliant, but are on a Trailer, but Trigger the ULEZ Camera or other Detection System, charged the £12.50?

If it Is on a trailer , cover or remove the number plates .

 

[Darrell]

So they can afford the entry fee and fuel costs to attend, those driving cars between 23 and 39 years old (and that aren’t taken on trailers!) can pay £12.50 for the one off event - hardly a newsworthy story is it?

I think the newsworthy part was the fact that a 40 year old classic car show is not not happening due to the ULEZ expansion.

The whys, where’s and the wants are neither here nor there.

 

[BTB 500]

As an aside I wonder how much the ULEZ expansion has affected admissions to Chessington World of Adventures?



There are various dodges involving parking (for free) in neighbouring areas and taking a bus in, but not sure how many are actually bothering to do this.

 

[Gollom]

As an aside I wonder how much the ULEZ expansion has affected admissions to Chessington World of Adventures?

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There are various dodges involving parking (for free) in neighbouring areas and taking a bus in, but not sure how many are actually bothering to do this.

Why don't they open an entrance on the side that is not in the ULEZ zone?

 

[TC350]

As an aside I wonder how much the ULEZ expansion has affected admissions to Chessington World of Adventures?

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There are various dodges involving parking (for free) in neighbouring areas and taking a bus in, but not sure how many are actually bothering to do this.

With such a low percentage of cars entering the expanded ULEZ zone reportedly non-compliant, I doubt that it’s made a measurable difference.

 

[BTB 500]

Why don't they open an entrance on the side that is not in the ULEZ zone?

They must have looked into it. I'm guessing they wouldn't get planning permission to route that amount of traffic via a small B road (Fairoak Lane).

 

[BTB 500]

With such a low percentage of cars entering the expanded ULEZ zone reportedly non-compliant, I doubt that it’s made a measurable difference.

If true that just means people with non-compliant cars aren't going into the extended zone, which would certainly be affecting big attractions like Chessington. It's pretty unlikely that everyone who would have visited has now switched to a compliant car ... plenty come from far away, where they wouldn't need one. In the absence of admission data from Chessington what's really needed is the total number of vehicles per week entering that part of the extended ULEZ Zone via the A243 before & after the go-live date.

 

[Will]

I think the newsworthy part was the fact that a 40 year old classic car show is not not happening due to the ULEZ expansion.

The whys, where’s and the wants are neither here nor there.

No one has stopped the show other than the organisers.

I mean, surely the acid test would have been to run the show and make a decision for next year based upon how successful it was?

Seems a bit short sited bearing in mind that classic cars wouldn’t have been affected anyway and you don’t get many old/middle aged diesels at classic car events in my experience (40+ year old ones would be exempt too!)

is £12.50 really that much to stop the likely few that would need to pay it from attending?

 

[Will]

If true that just means people with non-compliant cars aren't going into the extended zone, which would certainly be affecting big attractions like Chessington. It's pretty unlikely that everyone who would have visited has now switched to a compliant car ... plenty come from far away, where they wouldn't need one. In the absence of admission data from Chessington what's really needed is the total number of vehicles per week entering that part of the extended ULEZ Zone via the A243 before & after the go-live date.

Chessington is £60 plus per ticket nowadays. A typical family paying gate prices plus food/drink and parking or whatever would probably be spending £200/300+ for the day out.

If they are still driving a polluting, non-compliant vehicle I’d argue they can afford the £12.50 charge for a one day trip to Chessington.

It’s not like the arguments for those who work and need to drive every day or business owners etc. Sorry I don’t see it really affecting the likes of Chessington that much, and if people are refusing to go for the sake of £12.50 it seems a bit silly to me bearing in mind how much Chessington charge

 

[Darrell]

No one has stopped the show other than the organisers.

I mean, surely the acid test would have been to run the show and make a decision for next year based upon how successful it was?

Seems a bit short sited bearing in mind that classic cars wouldn’t have been affected anyway and you don’t get many old/middle aged diesels at classic car events in my experience (40+ year old ones would be exempt too!)

is £12.50 really that much to stop the likely few that would need to pay it from attending?

I’m sure the decision hasn’t been taken lightly and perhaps the £12,50 is the final straw.

I reckon Kahn shares your it’s only £12.50 mentality though.

 

[Gollom]

With such a low percentage of cars entering the expanded ULEZ zone reportedly non-compliant, I doubt that it’s made a measurable difference.

Wonder if the charges collected are making enough to actually pay for the infrastructure and upkeep?

 

[Will]

I’m sure the decision hasn’t been taken lightly and perhaps the £12,50 is the final straw.

I reckon Kahn shares your it’s only £12.50 mentality though.

IMHO it’s not about Khan or mentality for the charge.

The mentality is people pretending that £12.50, only if you to pay it - which many (most) people wouldn’t - is too much for one day in a whole year to attend a car show.

Have a look at their website or Facebook page, dozens of photos - scroll through them and literally almost all of them are exempt!

It’s a weak excuse.

 

[Darrell]

IMHO it’s not about Khan or mentality for the charge.

The mentality is people pretending that £12.50, only if you to pay it - which many (most) people wouldn’t - is too much for one day in a whole year to attend a car show.

Have a look at their website or Facebook page, dozens of photos - scroll through them and literally almost all of them are exempt!

It’s a weak excuse.

So in your opinion why is it cancelled?

And it’s not just one day though is it? The Ace Cafe is struggling as well and I think that the Bromley Pageant won’t be alone.