Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[AMGeed]

No confirmation so far, just posts repeating rumour and speculation.

Not that ULEZ cameras would be needed to monitor mileage when just about every driver carries a mobile phone with them that does the job far more efficiently!

How do you connect a mobile phone with a PAYG sim and charge the owner to a car being driven within the ULEZ zone?
I'll be glad to see a universal pp mile being introduced as long as it replaces fuel duty, as it should.
But we all know that won't happen. Motorists are too much of a cash cow for the government to even consider that.

 

[Darrell]

Where has it been confirmed pay per mile is happening using ULEZ cameras?

It’ll happen.

 

[markjay]

A pay-per-mile system will probably use ANPR cameras - just like congestion charge, ULEZ, average speed zone, car parks, and airport drop-off etc are currently enforced? Not sure why there's a need to invent new tech for that?

 

[W1ghty]

It’ll happen.

It will have to (or another way to raise money by shifting more cars into non compliant) because the revenue will dry up as non compliant cars get forced off the road ?
After all TFL isn’t going to not need huge amounts more money .

 

[Darrell]

It will have to (or another way to raise money by shifting more cars into non compliant) because the revenue will dry up as non compliant cars get forced off the road ?

Exactly.

After all TFL isn’t going to not need huge amounts more money .

They’re making huge amounts already.
They are set to deliver juicy £79 million surplus for 2023/24. Nice work if you can get it.

 

[markjay]

Exactly.

They’re making huge amounts already.
They are set to deliver juicy £79 million surplus for 2023/24. Nice work if you can get it.

The question is whether individual Councils around the UK will be allowed to implement their own pay-per-mile schemes, given that a similar nationwide scheme is presumably already being considered by central government?

 

[Darrell]

The question is whether individual Councils around the UK will be allowed to implement their own pay-per-mile schemes, given that a similar nationwide scheme is presumably already being considered by central government?

I’m sure they’ll get their top lawyers on the case and check it out, in fact they’re probably onto it already
Councils these days are desperate to get their greedy mitts on our cash.

 

[Pontoneer]

They, like other businesses, were given a grace period to update their fleet. That time must have ran out. No doubt the NHS ran true to form and travelled down the least economical route to replace the vehicles.
Nevertheless all ambulances should have been exempt as a matter of common sense

Here in Scotland , the white paper which governs the LEZs being introduced in our four major cities , exempts vehicles being used for the purposes of the various emergency services ; that also covers my own car when using it on Fire Brigade business ( although I generally avoid Glasgow City Centre , I could find a business reason to visit Cowcaddens Fire Station if I needed to get something from M-B Glasgow , which is just around the corner ) ; in any case my W124 will be exempt come August 1st this year when it turns 30 years old .

In the meantime , I've been using ECP or MB Ayr when I need bits & pieces . The only time I really need to take my car to a dealership is when ordering locks and keys , where it is their requirement that I take the car in . Ought not to be a requirement for known regular customers like myself , where I have previously purchased items for the same car and they know it is mine .

 

[Pontoneer]

In any event, £65m is Daily Mail clickbait.

It's not like the ambulances would have never needed replacing is it wasn't for ULEZ...

I don't know how long an ambulance is kept in service in London, say 10 years? If they replaced all of their pre-2015 fleet, then all they did was to bri forward the inevitable expense by 3 years (or less).

In other words, an 8 years old ambulance was already 80% though its service life anyway.

Even if they keep the ambulances for 15 years (which I doubt), it's still a far cry from having to spend £65m that they never meant to spend, according to the DM.

We have fire appliances a lot older than 15 years , although in fairness the older ones tend to be sent out to more outlying locations where the number of call outs is much lower , as is any environmental impact , and the newest machines tend to be located in cities where they see the greatest amount of use - and we have one fully electric appliance which is 'on the run' but still very much being evaluated .

 

[Pontoneer]

It will have to (or another way to raise money by shifting more cars into non compliant) because the revenue will dry up as non compliant cars get forced off the road ?
After all TFL isn’t going to not need huge amounts more money .

Not so easy to remove the exemption for Classic Cars at least 40 years old , besides all those with other exemptions such as emergency services users or disabled users .

Here in Glasgow , although the LEZ only covers a very small area , and one I seldom venture into with the car , only a very small proportion fall foul since petrol vehicles from 2006 ( so roughly up to 18 years old , with a few slightly older ones also compliant ) won't be penalised , and vehicles from 30 years old being exempt - so only a small band of vehicles between 18 and 30 years old being penalised , and some of these being exempt for other reasons .

With the majority of the city centre pollution coming from public transport and commercial vehicles , banning cars within a very narrow age range does little good at all . In the meantime , Hope Street , a good length of which is buses and taxis only , remains the most polluted street in Europe , a title it has held for several decades.

 

[markjay]

Not so easy to remove the exemption for Classic Cars at least 40 years old , besides all those with other exemptions such as emergency services users or disabled users .

Here in Glasgow , although the LEZ only covers a very small area , and one I seldom venture into with the car , only a very small proportion fall foul since petrol vehicles from 2006 ( so roughly up to 18 years old , with a few slightly older ones also compliant ) won't be penalised , and vehicles from 30 years old being exempt - so only a small band of vehicles between 18 and 30 years old being penalised , and some of these being exempt for other reasons .

With the majority of the city centre pollution coming from public transport and commercial vehicles , banning cars within a very narrow age range does little good at all . In the meantime , Hope Street , a good length of which is buses and taxis only , remains the most polluted street in Europe , a title it has held for several decades.

In London, all black cabs registered after Apr 2018 must be electric, and the busses are being converted to electric too. I hope that Glasgow is taking a similar approach?

 

[Pontoneer]

In London, all black cabs registered after Apr 2018 must be electric, and the busses are being converted to electric too. I hope that Glasgow is taking a similar approach?

They have a mixture of vehicles in the city , and especially at the main bus station in Buchanan Street , which is within the zone .

 

[Pontoneer]

So far I’ve avoided any ULEZ charges visiting relatives , because they live just inside the zone and the camera keeps getting cut down.
The latest cut down post stump had a Christmas tree poking out of it ….

If Khan could get away with it , he'd be charging Santa on the basis that emissions from the Reindeer contravene limits ; but I'm sure the sleigh is at least 40 years old !

 

[markjay]

If Khan could get away with it , he'd be charging Santa on the basis that emissions from the Reindeer contravene limits ; but I'm sure the sleigh is at least 40 years old !

It's not the sleigh that's the problem here... It's those damn carrots that Santa feeds to his reindeer. .

 

[BTB 500]

In London, all black cabs registered after Apr 2018 must be electric, and the busses are being converted to electric too.

At the last TfL audit (March 2023) 88% of their bus fleet was either diesel or diesel hybrid (they had approx. 3,800 of each), so we'll see how much progress they've made in this year's figures! I suspect only the New Routemaster ('Boris bus') hybrids are actually being converted to BEV (as opposed to replaced) - they had only done one so far. It was also interesting to see that 2021 was the first year they didn't buy any new pure diesel (non-hybrid) buses.

https://content.tfl.gov.uk/fleet-annual-audit-report-31-march-2023.pdf

 

[Will]

I see old (very old, maybe twenty years plus) DHL delivery trucks in London (you know the brown ones with the sliding doors) that have been converted to electric. Used every day, must be a couple of years at least so far

 

[BTB 500]

I see old (very old, maybe twenty years plus) DHL delivery trucks in London (you know the brown ones with the sliding doors) that have been converted to electric. Used every day, must be a couple of years at least so far

You mean UPS vans? AFAIK DHL are replacing with new electric ones (Ford contract?) rather than converting.

 

[Will]

Yes, UPS - sorry!

 

[Darrell]

I see old (very old, maybe twenty years plus) DHL delivery trucks in London (you know the brown ones with the sliding doors) that have been converted to electric. Used every day, must be a couple of years at least so far

UPS. Based in Kentish Town.

 

[Will]

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