Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[MikeInWimbledon]

Because they are.. thats a fact.... and even before the bigger ULEZ zone most cars were compliant. In terms of just cars, over nine in 10 cars now meet the ULEZ standards. Car compliance in the expanded outer London area is 96.4%, up from 92.4% in June 2023 and 90% in November 2022, when Sadiq Khan, announced the decision to expand the ULEZ London-wide. So basically even before the expansion not many were ever going to pay the £12.50..... and that number has now nearly halved

Our old friend economical…with the actualité.

No sir, it isn't over nine in ten cars now meet ULEZ standards. It's over nine in ten cars seen driving in the ULEZ zone now meet ULEZ standards.

Which is why Sad IQ is banking on £200 million a year from taxation on the poor. He's taxing people who live outside the zone who can't afford to replace their 2014 S350d, or Ford Focus diesel, so that they can visit Richmond Park, Heathrow, or the Marsden hospital in Sutton.

It's not 16 million charges, it's several million charges and a lot of fines.

The greenwashed tax raid, as usual, in on working people who don't vote for Sad IQ

Over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

New data shows that over 90 per cent of cars driving in outer London now meet the ULEZ standards

tfl.gov.uk

 

[ALFAitalia]

No sir, it isn't over nine in ten cars now meet ULEZ standards. It's over nine in ten cars seen driving in the ULEZ zone now meet ULEZ standards.

Not really relevant..... as over 90 percent of cars driving inside the M25 where compliant BEFORE the zone expanded... when no one cared about emissions inside the edges of the M25.
According to the RAC , nationally just 13.1% of cars OF ALL UK CARS are not compliant if you wanted to drive in ULEZ.... and that was in 2022.... so it will be less by now..... and I have one of them!
Don't forget lots of those fines are multiple repeat fines from the same cars.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Not really relevant..... as over 90 percent of cars driving inside the M25 where compliant BEFORE the zone expanded... when no one cared about emissions inside the edges of the M25.

It's relevant enough in that its £200 million worth of tax revenue for a policy which is not making the slightest difference to cleaning the air in the ULEZ zone.

Ah, but "air is getting cleaner because cars are becoming newer" you cry ! Yes, but that's because cars are getting newer as the years go by, not because some bird has to drive the LHR at 6am for a 7.30 flight and she can't afford to update her 2014 Focus.

It's a tax to raise money for Sad IQ's projects. It's nothing about cleaning the air.

 

[TC350]

And for those who rile against the £12.50 charge (even when they don’t pay it themselves) whilst complaining that taxis are exempt so getting away with polluting London:

More than half of London's black taxis are zero emission capable

More than half of London’s black taxis are zero emission capable

tfl.gov.uk

 

[TC350]

It's relevant enough in that its £200 million worth of tax revenue for a policy which is not making the slightest difference to cleaning the air in the ULEZ zone.

Ah, but "air is getting cleaner because cars are becoming newer" you cry ! Yes, but that's because cars are getting newer as the years go by, not because some bird has to drive the LHR at 6am for a 7.30 flight and she can't afford to update her 2014 Focus.

It's a tax to raise money for Sad IQ's projects. It's nothing about cleaning the air.

Where is the evidence that ULEZ isn’t making the slightest difference to air quality? I’ve seen many claims of this on social media, but no results of reliable studies.)

(If “some bird” is driving to LHR at 6am, she’ll be late for a 7:30 flight!)

 

[markjay]

It's relevant enough in that its £200 million worth of tax revenue for a policy which is not making the slightest difference to cleaning the air in the ULEZ zone...

It that's the case, then clearly, the current ULEZ charge is too low to act as deterrent for drivers of older Diesel cars, as it is not stopping them from driving into London.

 

[Darrell]

Not really relevant..... as over 90 percent of cars driving inside the M25 where compliant BEFORE the zone expanded... when no one cared about emissions inside the edges of the M25.
According to the RAC , nationally just 13.1% of cars OF ALL UK CARS are not compliant if you wanted to drive in ULEZ.... and that was in 2022.... so it will be less by now..... and I have one of them!
Don't forget lots of those fines are multiple repeat fines from the same cars.

It’s very relevant.

 

[Darrell]

It that's the case, then clearly, the current ULEZ charge is too low to act as deterrent for drivers of older Diesel cars, as it is not stopping them from driving into London.

But of you make the charge higher then people won’t bring their polluting cars into London and that’s a problem for Khan.

 

[ChrisHGTV]

Not really relevant..... as over 90 percent of cars driving inside the M25 where compliant BEFORE the zone expanded... when no one cared about emissions inside the edges of the M25.
According to the RAC , nationally just 13.1% of cars OF ALL UK CARS are not compliant if you wanted to drive in ULEZ.... and that was in 2022.... so it will be less by now..... and I have one of them!
Don't forget lots of those fines are multiple repeat fines from the same cars.

100% of my cars are not ULEZ compliant which basically means i don't go into Kingston shopping anymore, unless i take my wifes car. However, all is not lost as Bachmanns Patisserie is just outside the zone so i can fill the S212 to the gunwales with artisan treats without paying the penalty!

 

[Darrell]

And for those who rile against the £12.50 charge (even when they don’t pay it themselves) whilst complaining that taxis are exempt so getting away with polluting London:

More than half of London's black taxis are zero emission capable

More than half of London’s black taxis are zero emission capable

tfl.gov.uk

That was always going to happen.

 

[ChipChop]

Where is the evidence that ULEZ isn’t making the slightest difference to air quality? I’ve seen many claims of this on social media, but no results of reliable studies.)

(If “some bird” is driving to LHR at 6am, she’ll be late for a 7:30 flight!)

See Jacobs report.

 

[ChipChop]

It that's the case, then clearly, the current ULEZ charge is too low to act as deterrent for drivers of older Diesel cars, as it is not stopping them from driving into London.

Older diesels bad repeated ad infinitum. A recurring theme for those in charge of the worlds C40 Cities led by Chairman Khan. Yet all vehicles produce PM2.5 including EV's. The only 'eco' EV which addresses particulate matter issues that is not a quadricycle is the BMW i3 with it's skinny wagon wheels.

The Jacobs report came to the conclusion that the introduction of the expanded ULEZ scheme, designed to improve air quality, would have negligible effect on improving PM2.5 levels in outer London so why willfully ignore the PM issue? All those airborne metal filings floating around on the London underground for example. Not addressed. Target the motorist instead because it is all about money nothing else.

 

[markjay]

Older diesels bad repeated ad infinitum. A recurring theme for those in charge of the worlds C40 Cities led by Chairman Khan. Yet all vehicles produce PM2.5 including EV's. The only 'eco' EV which addresses particulate matter issues that is not a quadricycle is the BMW i3 with it's skinny wagon wheels.

The Jacobs report came to the conclusion that the introduction of the expanded ULEZ scheme, designed to improve air quality, would have negligible effect on improving PM2.5 levels in outer London so why willfully ignore the PM issue? All those airborne metal filings floating around on the London underground for example. Not addressed. Target the motorist instead because it is all about money nothing else.

ULEZ is meant to reduce NOx emissions (not particulates, or C02, etc etc)

Why "willfully ignore the PM issue"? Because even the relatively minor inconvenience that ULEZ is, was enough to cause people to cut down poles and set cameras alight.... good luck with getting people to stop driving pullouting cars altogether. Just look at the flack that the government is getting over the plans to stop the sale of new ICE cars. Looks like after hundreds of years of stability, we finally found the one thing over which Brits will start a revolution.

 

[Darrell]

Older diesels bad repeated ad infinitum. A recurring theme for those in charge of the worlds C40 Cities led by Chairman Khan. Yet all vehicles produce PM2.5 including EV's. The only 'eco' EV which addresses particulate matter issues that is not a quadricycle is the BMW i3 with it's skinny wagon wheels.

The Jacobs report came to the conclusion that the introduction of the expanded ULEZ scheme, designed to improve air quality, would have negligible effect on improving PM2.5 levels in outer London so why willfully ignore the PM issue? All those airborne metal filings floating around on the London underground for example. Not addressed. Target the motorist instead because it is all about money nothing else.

Yep. Just looking for the slightest possible way so they can rip you off.

 

[st13phil]

ULEZ is meant to reduce NOx emissions

On which it also has a miniscule effect.

Whatever green clothes it gets dressed in, it's still very clearly primarily a money-raising mechanism - i.e. a tax - so Citizen Khan can try to plug TfL's financial hole that he managed to create through his policies. What is most disgraceful is that through its expansion he is knowingly imposing a tax on a swathe of people who cannot vote either for him or against him, and who - to a large extent - don't benefit from effective public transport. Whatever happened to "no taxation without representation"?

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

And for those who rile against the £12.50 charge (even when they don’t pay it themselves) whilst complaining that taxis are exempt so getting away with polluting London:

More than half of London's black taxis are zero emission capable

More than half of London’s black taxis are zero emission capable

tfl.gov.uk

It's an important point that taxis were a third of the NOX pollution in central London.

High mileage daily drivers are more important than Doris from Dagenham popping into the ULEZ zone once a month with her ten year old diesel to visit Louise in Loughton

Note that the lying toerags talk about "Zero emission capable," falsely giving the impression that 8,000 of the 14,000 taxis are zero emission, which they aren't. A 20 mile plug-in range does not mean that a black cab is actually being driven on batteries. Talk to any PHEV owner about how much plug in power he uses during daily travel and you'll see it's only a small percentage if someone's doing the taxi style mileage.

 

[MikeInWimbledon]

Londoners know London's emission black spots. Created by the Council they've gone untouched for decades.

Areas like Putney High Street, Marylebone Road, Park Lane, Knightsbridge, the Hammersmith Flyover, the North and South Circular logjams.

"If" we had a Council that wanted to reduce emissions, they'd reduce traffic, or ban dirty vehicles in those specific areas.

But they don't, because there's no tax revenue in it.

And because the main culprits on Putney High Street, Park Lane, and Knightsbridge are London buses and taxis.


Putney Bus Garage. Storing and maintaining buses in an area with low wind flow, so exhaust emissions just sit where they are

 

[BTB 500]

Londoners know London's emission black spots. Created by the Council they've gone untouched for decades.

Areas like Putney High Street, Marylebone Road, Park Lane, Knightsbridge, the Hammersmith Flyover, the North and South Circular logjams.

I worked on the Marylebone Road in the early '80s and it was pretty dire. Our office was on the 1st floor and had no aircon, so in summer we either fried with the windows shut or choked on the traffic fumes with them open. HR said there was no legal maximum for office temperature, only a minimum. So not a problem. Gotta love retail companies eh (this was British Home Stores head office).

 

[markjay]

It's an important point that taxis were a third of the NOX pollution in central London.

High mileage daily drivers are more important than Doris from Dagenham popping into the ULEZ zone once a month with her ten year old diesel to visit Louise in Loughton

Note that the lying toerags talk about "Zero emission capable," falsely giving the impression that 8,000 of the 14,000 taxis are zero emission, which they aren't. A 20 mile plug-in range does not mean that a black cab is actually being driven on batteries. Talk to any PHEV owner about how much plug in power he uses during daily travel and you'll see it's only a small percentage if someone's doing the taxi style mileage.

The black cab drivers that I spoke to, all drive 100% on electricity while in London, charging on a supercharger during breaks (many taxi ranks around here have fast chargers installed), and only use the petrol engine to commute to and from home as most live outside London. A taxi is a business, and has to be run economically or they'll turn a loss. Next time you walk around Central London, see if you can find a single LEVC taxi that runs its petrol engine.

 

[markjay]

Another point regarding London's black cabs, is that the Hybrid LEVC (or equivalent EVs) became mandatory 6 years ago. It was always going to be a stop-gap measure on the way to zero-exhaust-emissions public transport, utilising the then-available and matured Hybrid technology, and in that sense it was a very wise move as it allowed the new regulations to be applied early-on, rather wait another decade for long-range full EV vans (which is what a London Black Cab effectively is) to become commonplace.