Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[AMGeed]

PS : Bet you will miss your AMG.

Only for a little while

 

[350cls]

Only for a little while

Was under the impression your W212 FL was a keeper. Really surprised your moving it on. Would it not be ideal as a tourer. Which you intend on doing.

 

[Skd884]

He has realised the m157 is naff haha, pleasure meeting up yday R.

 

[W1ghty]

I still reckon that the ULEZ extension will get delayed past next year , as a Labour Mayor he would seem during a cost of living crisis to add to the costs of a Labour voters who are running older cars .

 

[AMGeed]

Was under the impression your W212 FL was a keeper. Really surprised your moving it on. Would it not be ideal as a tourer. Which you intend on doing.

Just not using it enough Tom. Silly to keep a car of that value doing nothing on the driveway. But its only a temporary measure.

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[350cls]

About time he realised

 

[350cls]

Just not using it enough Tom. Silly to keep a car of that value doing nothing on the driveway. But its only a temporary measure.

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Fair enough

 

[AMGeed]

He has realised the m157 is naff haha, pleasure meeting up yday R.

Lol, The M157 is the bestest engine ever, after the M177 and M113k
Good to see you too S. BOTG next year I guess?

 

[350cls]

Lol, The M157 is the bestest engine ever, after the M177 and M113k
Good to see you too S. BOTG next year I guess?

I'm saying nothing, you know what corner I'm in

 

[Darrell]

I still reckon that the ULEZ extension will get delayed past next year , as a Labour Mayor he would seem during a cost of living crisis to add to the costs of a Labour voters who are running older cars .

I hope so.

 

[MrGreedy]

Was in central London today, theatre, Hamleys etc.
Whilst I did notice more LEVC electric black cabs than ever before, being a cold day I also noticed a lot of what smelled like slightly chocking diesel fumes like produced from heavy diesel equipment. Trucks and buses and the like.
There were plenty of ULEZ 'non compliant' diesels cars. They were relatively modern, e.g. I noticed (as a fan of the brand) Merc E350Ds and S350Ds aplenty which won't be compliant, but I suspect post 2012 V6 diesel engines in passenger cars aren't contributing much %-wise to the agricultural diesel choke. Think time queuing in a crowed major bus station as a kid; that sort of vibe.

I was just wondering, if all these 'stinking' 2011-2016 (or whatever) passenger cars were magically erased from the capital, would it have been any less choking? My feeling is it wouldn't have made much difference.

 

[alabbasi]

Was in central London today, theatre, Hamleys etc.
Whilst I did notice more LEVC electric black cabs than ever before, being a cold day I also noticed a lot of what smelled like slightly chocking diesel fumes like produced from heavy diesel equipment. Trucks and buses and the like.
There were plenty of ULEZ 'non compliant' diesels cars. They were relatively modern, e.g. I noticed (as a fan of the brand) Merc E350Ds and S350Ds aplenty which won't be compliant, but I suspect post 2012 V6 diesel engines in passenger cars aren't contributing much %-wise to the agricultural diesel choke. Think time queuing in a crowed major bus station as a kid; that sort of vibe.

I was just wondering, if all these 'stinking' 2011-2016 (or whatever) passenger cars were magically erased from the capital, would it have been any less choking? My feeling is it wouldn't have made much difference.

It will make a difference to tax revenue being collected so there will be a new rule to charge diesels older than 2020 or something along that line. One a revenue stream is established, it's not going to go away.

 

[markjay]

I still reckon that the ULEZ extension will get delayed past next year , as a Labour Mayor he would seem during a cost of living crisis to add to the costs of a Labour voters who are running older cars .

I think you'll find it's one of the oldest tricks in the political playbook... you win by getting support from your opponents, given that your own 'base' will vote for you regardless.

In the political landscape, environmentists are seen mostly as middle-class types, on the basis that you can only afford to worry about the planet once your you and your family have your own bellies full, a (warm) home, etc. And so they are seen as likely to be voting for the Conservatives, LibDem, and UKIP.

When Khan is essentially taking a leaf out of his opponents' book by modeling himself as a staunch environmentalist, he is actually maximising his chances of getting reelected. The die-hard Labour supporters will vote for him anyway.

This isn't a Labour vs Conservatives issue as such, politicians from all sides of the political spectrum have used these tactics before, there are many examples but I won't quote them here because they belong in the UK Politics thread...

 

[W1ghty]

I think you'll find it's one of the oldest tricks in the political playbook... you win by getting support from your opponents, given that your own 'base' will vote for you regardless.

In the political landscape, environmentists are seen mostly as middle-class types, on the basis that you can only afford to worry about the planet once your you and your family have your own bellies full, a (warm) home, etc. And so they are seen as likely to be voting for the Conservatives, LibDem, and UKIP.

When Khan is essentially taking a leaf out of his opponents' book by modeling himself as a staunch environmentalist, he is actually maximising his chances of getting reelected. The die-hard Labour supporters will vote for him anyway.

This isn't a Labour vs Conservatives issue as such, politicians from all sides of the political spectrum have used these tactics before, there are many examples but I won't quote them here because they belong in the UK Politics thread...

He can’t get re-elected this is his second term ?

 

[markjay]

He can’t get re-elected this is his second term ?

I suppose I should have referred to 'whatever political aspirations he may have for his future career' (given the route his predecessor's career took...) .

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

After a quick google, it seems like this is definitely going ahead in August. I'll have to sell my elderly father's 2010 W212 E350 for him, such an incredible shame - what a great car, with just 46k miles. The idea that somebody who does such low miles has to pay £12.50 a day to pop to the shops when somebody else can run a v8 from 2005 is nuts.

Given his age, I'm not looking forward to the conversation about what car to buy next... this was supposed to be his 'forever' car... but that's another issue..

 

[optimusprime]

Doing all this in London and other areas and now MPs passed a bill ordering coal mines to start miming operations again to be able to power up electric power stations .

 

[sgregory124]

Doing all this in London and other areas and now MPs passed a bill ordering coal mines to start miming operations again to be able to power up electric power stations .

They'll be importing it, there isn't enough capacity or time to recommission enough mines to fuel a couple of backup stations (given that the majority were hastily capped off and filled with slag during the 90's). The coal mine they've granted an operating license to in Cumbria, is for the production of coking coal for households.

 

[ML350mgr]

Was in central London today, theatre, Hamleys etc.
Whilst I did notice more LEVC electric black cabs than ever before, being a cold day I also noticed a lot of what smelled like slightly chocking diesel fumes like produced from heavy diesel equipment. Trucks and buses and the like.
There were plenty of ULEZ 'non compliant' diesels cars. They were relatively modern, e.g. I noticed (as a fan of the brand) Merc E350Ds and S350Ds aplenty which won't be compliant, but I suspect post 2012 V6 diesel engines in passenger cars aren't contributing much %-wise to the agricultural diesel choke. Think time queuing in a crowed major bus station as a kid; that sort of vibe.

I was just wondering, if all these 'stinking' 2011-2016 (or whatever) passenger cars were magically erased from the capital, would it have been any less choking? My feeling is it wouldn't have made much difference.

It won't make a difference. The fact that they charge drivers based on how old their car is (Euro4/6 etc) and not on the actual pollution emitted, it's a clear indicator that this is a revenue generator sold for being something else.

Not only that, the Ulez is the pathway to road charging (the Mayor confirmed on the Guardian recently it's coming) and they need as many cameras as possible. Everyone will have to pay eventually.

I could go on forever listing all the reasons why I think this scheme is flawed, but to me it doens't pass the 'common sense' check and therefore I don't support it in the way it's been implemented (forced on people).

The challenge people face now is not only what car to buy, but also how do I avoid being the same situation in 2-3 year's time (maybe less).

There is still plenty that can change after August 2023:

• require that all petrol vehicles are Euro6
• require that all petrol/diesel vehicles are Euro7 when it comes out in a few years
• ZEZ (Zero Emission Zones) are in the pipeline
• etc...

 

[markjay]

It won't make a difference. The fact that they charge drivers based on how old their car is (Euro4/6 etc) and not on the actual pollution emitted, it's a clear indicator that this is a revenue generator sold for being something else.

Not only that, the Ulez is the pathway to road charging (the Mayor confirmed on the Guardian recently it's coming) and they need as many cameras as possible. Everyone will have to pay eventually.

I could go on forever listing all the reasons why I think this scheme is flawed, but to me it doens't pass the 'common sense' check and therefore I don't support it in the way it's been implemented (forced on people).

The challenge people face now is not only what car to buy, but also how do I avoid being the same situation in 2-3 year's time (maybe less).

There is still plenty that can change after August 2023:

• require that all petrol vehicles are Euro6
• require that all petrol/diesel vehicles are Euro7 when it comes out in a few years
• ZEZ (Zero Emission Zones) are in the pipeline
• etc...

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I personally think that road charging based on vehicle type, miles driven, location, and time-of-day, is the only fair alternative to VED, going forward.