Stop expanding the ULEZ to all the London boroughs in 2023

[ALFAitalia]

This is from London Air.....so we so we really bad to do anything at all...especially as the air will naturally improve as older cars die , tech improves and EVs begins more common place.
I draw your attention to the last sentence..

Within Europe London is the largest city, but we have less pollution than some EU cities because we are on the western edge of the continent and often receive fresh air from the Atlantic. From a global perspective, research from the World Bank shows that air pollution is a major health hazard in developing countries. If we rank the 3,226 cities with a population greater than 100,000 according to their pollution levels, from high to low, London comes 2,516th.

 

[horatio]

I saw the clip, it's been linked it before.

Like many others on here, I too have an academic degree, and I know that this is not how good science is made.

But we live in modern times, and the average layman will always prefer YouTubers and Internet bloggers to scientific data published by researchers in accredited academic institutions.

In fact there's even been some innuendo on here that our academic institutions are corrupt and can be bought with money... but YouTubers are above suspicion.

The members who respond here all use Internet and computers and mobile phones... which were only made possible by our academic institutions and their researchers, and not thanks to any one opinionated individual on Social Media.

Imperials “environmental research group” was donated £800k by Khan!

And funnily enough

Khan tried to ‘silence’ scientists who questioned Ulez claims, emails show

Correspondence shows deputy ‘really disappointed’ that Imperial College publicised findings questioning effectiveness of scheme

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[TC350]

Regarding the expense.

The main reason is because everything is being done properly (over the top).

For example.
At one of the sites a smelly old ditch had to be concreted over. There are Newts in that particular area so to appease the public they can’t be left to just die.
Enter the Newt re-locator on £80,000 a year.

And it goes on and on. £££££££

Ah, newts. The £80k salary for a newt re-locator is nothing compared to what they’ll insist is spent to provide 5-star facilities for the creatures. And it’s probably well under 1% of the public who care.

Peterborough's newt 'superhighway' to cost £1.1m

A developer is spending £1.1m on creating seven tunnels to protect newts living near the Hamptons in Peterborough.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Darrell]

Ah, newts. The £80k salary for a newt re-locator is nothing compared to what they’ll insist is spent to provide 5-star facilities for the creatures. And it’s probably well under 1% of the public who care.

Peterborough's newt 'superhighway' to cost £1.1m

A developer is spending £1.1m on creating seven tunnels to protect newts living near the Hamptons in Peterborough.

www.bbc.co.uk

Tip of the iceberg.

Every job we did there (site water and power services) had to go through design, H&S and commercial (££) before we could do it.

For example. We had to build a big frame of Unistrut to support our incoming large diameter pipework, valves etc. It had to be bonafide Unistrut products with their stampings and paperwork to prove it.
The rule was that if any temporary M&E was going to be in place for more than 3 months it had to be built as permanent.

When it was removed it was skipped!! Even if it was a week over 3 months.

 

[Darrell]

How highway robber Sadiq Khan is monetising EVERY road in London


How highway robber Sadiq Khan is monetising EVERY road in London

 

[markjay]

Tip of the iceberg.

Every job we did there (site water and power services) had to go through design, H&S and commercial (££) before we could do it.

For example. We had to build a big frame of Unistrut to support our incoming large diameter pipework, valves etc. It had to be bonafide Unistrut products with their stampings and paperwork to prove it.
The rule was that if any temporary M&E was going to be in place for more than 3 months it had to be built as permanent.

When it was removed it was skipped!! Even if it was a week over 3 months.

Just to say that when it comes to IT cabling systems, manufacturers often provide warranty for their products only if the entire installation was done using only their product, which have to meet their own inter-compatibly matrix, and installed by an approved contractor who had appropriate training. This is a pitfall that I have seen with some customers who thought they had a valid manufacturer's warranty for a particular installation only to find out that their site didn't fully meet the criteria above.

 

[Darrell]

Just to say that when it comes to IT cabling systems, manufacturers often provide warranty for their products only if the entire installation was done using only their product, which have to meet their own inter-compatibly matrix, and installed by an approved contractor who had appropriate training. This is a pitfall that I have seen with some customers who thought they had a valid manufacturer's warranty for a particular installation only to find out that their site didn't fully meet the criteria above.

Re Unistrut. It comes in lengths and fittings.

We assemble it according you our designers and not Unistruts. We haven’t been trained by Unistrut nor do they offer training courses.
It’s Meccano for adults.

 

[markjay]

When you do things right, it's cumbersome, slow, and expensive. Some parts of the public will criticise it.

When you don't do things right... you end up with the likes of Grenfell.

I know which one I prefer.

 

[Darrell]

When you do things right, it's cumbersome, slow, and expensive. Some parts of the public will criticise it.

When you don't do things right... you end up with the likes of Grenfell.

I know which one I prefer.

Went past Grenfell on Friday. It’s still covered in sheeting.
Does anyone know what’s happening to it?

 

[ChrisHGTV]

Ah, newts. The £80k salary for a newt re-locator is nothing compared to what they’ll insist is spent to provide 5-star facilities for the creatures. And it’s probably well under 1% of the public who care.

Peterborough's newt 'superhighway' to cost £1.1m

A developer is spending £1.1m on creating seven tunnels to protect newts living near the Hamptons in Peterborough.

www.bbc.co.uk

I have to disagree. In the UK we have some of the worst loss of biodiversity anywhere due in part to habitat loss. Just look at the decline of hedgehogs for instance, or “small mammals”. Yes a small % of the population may be interested but that doesnt mean it should be ignored.

 

[TC350]

When you do things right, it's cumbersome, slow, and expensive. Some parts of the public will criticise it.

When you don't do things right... you end up with the likes of Grenfell.

I know which one I prefer.

And when you think you can save a few pence on something that seems insignificant:

The Space Shuttle Challenger Explosion and the O-ring - Priceonomics

A tragic case of how poor data analysis can lead to very bad outcomes.

priceonomics.com

 

[Darrell]

It does makes one wonder who runs the country.


Rishi Sunak 'blocked from overruling Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion'


Rishi Sunak 'blocked from overruling Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion'

 

[markjay]

Will we see a repeat of the Poll Tax riots?

 

[Dryce]

It does makes one wonder who runs the country.


Rishi Sunak 'blocked from overruling Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion'

We live in a world where lawyers will find any device to keep the government from deporting criminals.

But the rights of legal residents and citizens to use their national road network and the roads outside their homes with reasonable freedom is dispensible.

 

[Darrell]

Will we see a repeat of the Poll Tax riots?

I don’t think so because the ULEZ is a London thing.

The Poll Tax riots was countrywide and therefore affected millions more people.

Seeing that most people appear to dislike Londoners the rest of the U.K. is probably glad we’ve got it and probably are secretly laughing at us!!

They want to be careful though.

 

[Fununcle]

It does makes one wonder who runs the country.


Rishi Sunak 'blocked from overruling Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion'


Rishi Sunak 'blocked from overruling Sadiq Khan's ULEZ expansion'

It seems that after reading the headline, the law runs this country. Not such a terrible thing

 

[Dryce]

I don’t think so because the ULEZ is a London thing.

The Poll Tax riots was countrywide and therefore affected millions more people.

The ULEZ is quite an imposition. It doesn't just affect the area it actually covers but also adjacent areas.

However - the natural order of things is that the population of affected vehicles should naturally be declining quite quickly anyway. (Which further makes a mockery of the LEZ / ULEZ nonsense).

Whereas poll tax hit a solid block of people which wasn't going to naturally diminish in the same way.

 

[Dryce]

It seems that after reading the headline, the law runs this country. Not such a terrible thing

That depends on the law.

The law should be absolute in *not allowing* councils and local regional political bodies to make local laws regarding roads and and access that affect the national population of vehicles.

There should be one set of standards across the UK. Regulations should be uniform.

(As an example Scotland has slightly different speed limits).

So 'Not such a terrible thing' ? Well it's not terrible that the law is upheld - but it helps to get the legal principles sorted properly. Having different rules in different places is IMO a bad setup for laws.

 

[Fununcle]

That depends on the law.

The law should be absolute in *not allowing* councils and local regional political bodies to make local laws regarding roads and and access that affect the national population of vehicles.

There should be one set of standards across the UK. Regulations should be uniform.

(As an example Scotland has slightly different speed limits).

So 'Not such a terrible thing' ? Well it's not terrible that the law is upheld - but it helps to get the legal principles sorted properly. Having different rules in different places is IMO a bad setup for laws.

If people don't like the law as it stands they should stand for public office and change it, futile shouting into the wind seems rather pointless.

 

[TeddyRuxpin]

Will we see a repeat of the Poll Tax riots?

I don't think so because I think British society is so compliant as whole, but driving around in London and seeing the number of non-compliant cars, I do think perhaps lots of people have been burying their heads in the sand (or simply can't afford to switch) and are going to be in a shock on the 28th and onwards