Tesco Fuel Again?

[kjb1]

^ As some on this forum are aware I am currently awaiting a response from a supermarket chain (who I won't name yet as have been advised not to). Regarding contamination of their 99 RON fuel. They have initially admitted liability as I was smart enough to pick up on it fairly quickly go back and buy some more in a petrol can whilst being videod. This fuel was then sent away for analysis at two independent laboratories and both confirmed the fuel was contaminated.



I never buy supermarket fuel but this was convenient and you would have though high octane fuel to be a relatively safe bet. So £980 later in replaced components and I've learnt my lesson.



I will update you but from the tone of their first communication I'm awaiting a cheque

And independents never suffer issues no?

You were unlucky with the garage in general. Not the fuel. It could happen just as easily at an independent.




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[MercedesDriver]

Saying that Supermarket fuel is good or as much good as premium branded one is ludicrous.

 

[kjb1]

Saying that Supermarket fuel is good or as much good as premium branded one is ludicrous.

Of course!! you are an expert in Fuel now yes?

Come on then, Im 15 years in Oil and Gas, served apprenticeship on an Oil Refinery and gone upwards from there. I can assure you, you think you are buying " a brand " which has come from said " branded " oil company.......wrong!!

Multiple Companies including the Supermarket Tankers filled up from EXACTLY the same points on our Road Loading facilities.

Get a grip people.


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[Deleted member 6183]

Of course!! you are an expert in Fuel now yes?

Come on then, Im 15 years in Oil and Gas, served apprenticeship on an Oil Refinery and gone upwards from there. I can assure you, you think you are buying " a brand " which has come from said " branded " oil company.......wrong!!

Multiple Companies including the Supermarket Tankers filled up from EXACTLY the same points on our Road Loading facilities.

Get a grip people.


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I'm no expert, what happens to the fuel between filling the tank and filling my tank?

 

[kjb1]

Clearly issues with storage tanks at the garage in question.

People shoot Supermarket fuels down so easily. Truth is, no doubt majority of people use these Supermarket stations therefore more chance of an issue being spoken of.

For me, I would far rather use a new build Supermarket station with new tanks, than an independent which has been open for donkeys whose tanks are coming to the end of their working lives and no doubt are full of particulates, contaminants etc.


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[MercedesDriver]

Of course!! you are an expert in Fuel now yes?

Come on then, Im 15 years in Oil and Gas, served apprenticeship on an Oil Refinery and gone upwards from there. I can assure you, you think you are buying " a brand " which has come from said " branded " oil company.......wrong!!

Multiple Companies including the Supermarket Tankers filled up from EXACTLY the same points on our Road Loading facilities.

Get a grip people.

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No I am not an expert in fuel or oil but I know that all fill at the same depots but from different taps and some (premium ones) have some small tanks attached to their own taps (commons don't have access to these) and some spices are added to the fuels. Usually premium brands have WW exclusivity on their own spices which were developed with largest chemical companies from UK, Germany or USA. During such development of fuel spices both premium brands and chemical companies invest couple of milion bobs and make hundreds of thousands miles during at least 12 months of road tests working together with largest fleet companies in determining whether these spices mixed with any base fuel make any added value to us motorists. If all parties are happy premiums lunch a product on targeted market. If all are not happy, they start again until they get a positive result.
As previously said I am not an expert but you should get back to apprenticeship.

 

[flango]

And independents never suffer issues no?

You were unlucky with the garage in general. Not the fuel. It could happen just as easily at an independent.




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Tank management and turnover rates are the issue around here not the retailer. Car now mapped back for 95 RON and will only use high turnover branded sites for fuel.

 

[kjb1]

No I am not an expert in fuel or oil but I know that all fill at the same depots but from different taps and some (premium ones) have some small tanks attached to their own taps (commons don't have access to these) and some spices are added to the fuels. Usually premium brands have WW exclusivity on their own spices which were developed with largest chemical companies from UK, Germany or USA. During such development of fuel spices both premium brands and chemical companies invest couple of milion bobs and make hundreds of thousands miles during at least 12 months of road tests working together with largest fleet companies in determining whether these spices mixed with any base fuel make any added value to us motorists. If all parties are happy premiums lunch a product on targeted market. If all are not happy, they start again until they get a positive result.
As previously said I am not an expert but you should get back to apprenticeship.

That drivel and you tell me to get back to the apprenticeship? brilliant, take your Balti, tikka and pathia, then run along!

Fuel depot? did I say fuel depot? or actual Refinery? at source. ( sorry that would be sauce in your lingo ).


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[geraldrobins]

Saying that Supermarket fuel is good or as much good as premium branded one is ludicrous.

Please advise on what basis do you make that assertion?

 

[brucemillar]

The factual point has been made so many times in here, in publicly available sources etc. All fuel is pretty much the same at the refinery before branded additives. This issue has happened to Shell, BP, Texaco etc. This thread is all about station / tank management and company responses when that management goes wrong. It is not about people's personal beliefs in hocus pocus fuel brands. It is also a fact that Supermarkets sell by far the highest percentage of UK fuel so stand to have the highest percentage of contamination at the tank. It is not a fact that supermarket fuel is poor fuel. Sent from my iPhone using MBClub UK

 

[Deleted member 6183]

The factual point has been made so many times in here, in publicly available sources etc. All fuel is pretty much the same at the refinery before branded additives. This issue has happened to Shell, BP, Texaco etc. This thread is all about station / tank management and company responses when that management goes wrong. It is not about people's personal beliefs in hocus pocus fuel brands. It is also a fact that Supermarkets sell by far the highest percentage of UK fuel so stand to have the highest percentage of contamination at the tank. It is not a fact that supermarket fuel is poor fuel. Sent from my iPhone using MBClub UK

Then I have to ask - why make your original post?

 

[brucemillar]

Then I have to ask - why make your original post?

Or you could simply read my last post.

It is about tank management and how companies react when that fails.

In this instance Tesco is denying any failing on their part. The obvious conclusion from Tesco's view being: people deliberately put water in their own petrol tanks after filling up with Tesco fuel. Really?

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[Deleted member 6183]

Or you could simply read my last post.

It is about tank management and how companies react when that fails.

In this instance Tesco is denying any failing on their part. The obvious conclusion from Tesco's view being: people deliberately put water in their own petrol tanks after filling up with Tesco fuel. Really?

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We knew that already.

 

[brucemillar]

We knew that already.

So I have no idea why you are asking your question or what your point is?

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[GLK]

I'm adding cardamon and turmeric to my fuel from now on - apparently I've been missing on some important spices.

 

[flango]

I'm adding cardamon and turmeric to my fuel from now on - apparently I've been missing on some important spices.

Be careful it will only bang pop and spit flames out of its rear.
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Oh wait that's me after a Vindaloo
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Sorry

 

[NDFR]

Of course!! you are an expert in Fuel now yes?

Come on then, Im 15 years in Oil and Gas, served apprenticeship on an Oil Refinery and gone upwards from there. I can assure you, you think you are buying " a brand " which has come from said " branded " oil company.......wrong!!

Multiple Companies including the Supermarket Tankers filled up from EXACTLY the same points on our Road Loading facilities.

Get a grip people.


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30 years petrol retailing franchisee here.

You are correct to a point in as much at terminals do load tankers from different retailers but the additives added at the time of loading vary between retailers.

 

[kjb1]

yes additives!! both nothing to do with fuel quality / water content / etc. Simply lubricities / cleaners ( claimed mpg improvers ). Its all heavily marketed over hype.

You can buy fuel additive in bulk far cheaper than the "claimed super fuels" available at the pump and dose it as required.

Base fuel all the same. Supermarket fuel is perfectly fine, wake up people.


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[flango]

yes additives!! both nothing to do with fuel quality / water content / etc. Simply lubricities / cleaners ( claimed mpg improvers ). Its all heavily marketed over hype.

You can buy fuel additive in bulk far cheaper than the "claimed super fuels" available at the pump and dose it as required.

Base fuel all the same. Supermarket fuel is perfectly fine, wake up people.


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No you can't. I work for one of the companies that manufacturers the additives and they do much more than lubricate and clean. We and the Oil companies don't spend billions on research for the fun of it

The additives added to UK Petrol & Diesel fuel CANNOT be bought in bulk it is not retailed at all.

Base fuels all made to a British Standard spec at time of manufacture. The degradation of those fuels can vary dramatically between additive packages. So you might think you are buying 95 RON but if its been sat in the tank for a long time with no or little additives it will have had its RON rating degraded considerably

 

[Freedom]

This "Bad Fuel" topic/debate is becoming very interesting As Mr Flango brought up, the issue could be additives being administered not equally or/and low grade chemicals used. As i say, everything is possible these days.