Tesco Fuel Again?

[fabes]

No you can't. I work for one of the companies that manufacturers the additives and they do much more than lubricate and clean. We and the Oil companies don't spend billions on research for the fun of it

As a bystander here, it would be interesting to know more about these 'much mores'

Are you at liberty to provide a list of those in?
I know I should trust the ASA and believe what the adverts say, but what are the purposes of the added value additives that supposedly differentiate superior from normal unleaded and diesel (and I say purposes rather than the benefits - what are they intended to do)

thanks

 

[kjb1]

No you can't. I work for one of the companies that manufacturers the additives and they do much more than lubricate and clean. We and the Oil companies don't spend billions on research for the fun of it



The additives added to UK Petrol & Diesel fuel CANNOT be bought in bulk it is not retailed at all.



Base fuels all made to a British Standard spec at time of manufacture. The degradation of those fuels can vary dramatically between additive packages. So you might think you are buying 95 RON but if its been sat in the tank for a long time with no or little additives it will have had its RON rating degraded considerably

I cannot purchase fuel additive no? really? did I say specifically, Shell or Texaco additive? no, just additive. And yes I can buy additive extremely easily should I want to.




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[kjb1]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/ulk/itm/221424250172


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[Deleted member 6183]

So I have no idea why you are asking your question or what your point is?

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On reflection I suppose that I'm just being grumpy about another thread which just seems to be repeating the same old stuff as several previous ones and bringing nothing new.

I should just keep out really.

 

[brucemillar]

On reflection I suppose that I'm just being grumpy about another thread which just seems to be repeating the same old stuff as several previous ones and bringing nothing new.

I should just keep out really.

Nothing wrong with being grumpy ;ˆ)

I agree that this thread has wandered into a repeat of many other threads which loses the point that I wanted to make. Namely: Despite what appears to be a cut and shut case (in this instance) Tesco are happy to use their might and refuse to accept any liability. My interest being that the exact same thing happened to Mrs M.

I will follow the news story with interest to see if this does end up in court.

 

[ringway]

My 430 runs like Steptoe's horse after a curry if I use Tesco ordinary unleaded. It has to be their Momentum if I use their filling stations.
Mrs Ringway overheard one of their petrol station employees saying that her car runs rough on their fuel.

I spoke with an RAC mechanic a few weeks ago and he said that Tesco buy the dregs of refinements and sell it without any additives added whatsoever.

My 430 runs fine on any ordinary grade unleaded from a dedicated supplier - BP, Shell, Texaco etc.

Without or less additives very possibly but ''dregs'', I find that hard to accept.

Also too, considering that supermarkets have 44% of the retail fuels market it's inevitable that they will have the finger pointed at them rightly or wrongly, if suspected of supplying substandard fuel.

Ok, point taken. It's possible he may be wrong about the dregs, I was merely quoting what he said.

How does the RAC man know this, does he supervise the buying, has he any proof, or is he just listening to hearsay, ? I suspect the latter. I have used supermarket fuel more often than not for at least 15 yrs. without any problems, just because it's "Shell or BP" dosent mean the filling stations tanks cannot leak or let water in to contaminate the fuel.

I was merely quoting what he said, but I would have though he had built up some sort of insight from his own experiences in attending vehicles that have broken down and from the information gathered and guidelines issued by his employer.

I too have used a mixture of supermarket and main brand fuel.

 

[Red C220]

No you can't. I work for one of the companies that manufacturers the additives and they do much more than lubricate and clean. We and the Oil companies don't spend billions on research for the fun of it

The additives added to UK Petrol & Diesel fuel CANNOT be bought in bulk it is not retailed at all.

Base fuels all made to a British Standard spec at time of manufacture. The degradation of those fuels can vary dramatically between additive packages. So you might think you are buying 95 RON but if its been sat in the tank for a long time with no or little additives it will have had its RON rating degraded considerably

This is genuinely interesting.

So considering the unique insight you have in this business where do you choose to go to fill your R8 when in the UK? Does your job sway which fuel you choose to buy (or not)?

 

[flango]

I cannot purchase fuel additive no? really? did I say specifically, Shell or Texaco additive? no, just additive. And yes I can buy additive extremely easily should I want to.




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Thats not what I said. I said you cannot purchase the additives that the likes of Shell and BP add to their fuel they are bespoke to them. Of course you can buy fuel additives such as Millers, RedX etc.. but they will not have the same effect as the commercial packages used by the oil companies

Read my posts in context please

 

[kjb1]

Thats not what I said. I said you cannot purchase the additives that the likes of Shell and BP add to their fuel they are bespoke to them. Of course you can buy fuel additives such as Millers, RedX etc.. but they will not have the same effect as the commercial packages used by the oil companies



Read my posts in context please

You honestly believe there is that much of a difference between them? haha. Sorry, its getting silly now. You clearly believe your own marketing department hype!


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[flango]

This is genuinely interesting.

So considering the unique insight you have in this business where do you choose to go to fill your R8 when in the UK? Does your job sway which fuel you choose to buy (or not)?

This area is not actually my division but because I'm a petrolhead I talk with the automotive guys very very frequently. Our star performers are fuel additives, antifreeze/coolants and brake fluid all for high end applications.

I do get swayed by this and the fact I've been in motorsport/motortrade for 30+ years.

The thing that really convinced me (although I didn't need much convincing) apart from the science I know from work was. We once did an engine repair on a BMW 530d which had covered 70,000 miles. The owner was a real scrooge and it had been run all its life on a particular brand of supermarket fuel. The head was so gummed up with deposits it was unreal as was the EGR valve etc.. Then my nephews BMW 525d decided to ingest a swirl flap so we had to strip the engine, this car had covered 127,000 miles and had run all its life on Shell V Power diesel. The difference was night and day this head was clean as a whistle no deposits at all in fact no trace of black gunge.

I'm not saying this was all down to the fuel as I suspect the first BMW had missed some services and had the wrong oil used at some stage but even so the difference was striking

So people who say supermarket fuel is as good as branded fuel let them believe that, sure the base spec is the same but the additive packages are way different.

Sorry to digress but to answer your question Shell for me or if I can't find Shell then Texaco their Techron additive package is really very good.

Very rare you get poor fuel these days and has been said it's usually down to tank management or fuel with low additive levels that's been sat in the tank for ages.

Below are independent test results on a Golf GTi to assess performance of various fuels in terms of power

Bp unleaded 236.1 bhp
Asda unleaded 235.8bhp
Bp ultimate 236.7bhp
Esso supreme 240.5bhp
Shell V power 240.9bhp

Results are an average of 5 dyno runs and are statistically solid.

Interesting which one produces the lowest BHP I wonder why

 

[flango]

2-EHN Highest quality 99% pure 2-Ethyl-Hexyl Nitrate Cetane Booster 20 Litres | eBay


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So you think adding 2-EHN will give you the same effect as a commercial fuel additive package.

ROFPMSL

 

[C240Sport97]

Bp unleaded 236.1 bhp
Asda unleaded 235.8bhp
Bp ultimate 236.7bhp
Esso supreme 240.5bhp
Shell V power 240.9bhp

Results are an average of 5 dyno runs and are statistically solid.

Interesting which one produces the lowest BHP I wonder why

not a fair comparison though, is it, standard unleaded (BP and Asda) and super unleaded.

Is this the turbo Golf GTi?

 

[kjb1]

So you think adding 2-EHN will give you the same effect as a commercial fuel additive package.



ROFPMSL

I simply chose that off eBay to show how readily available additives were seeing as I couldn't buy any anywhere.

And honestly, if difference was night and day, believe me, I would buy premium fuels, truth is, its very much not! therefore not worth it.


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[flango]

Opinions vary

Science, testing and development Vs speculation

Everyone can make up their own mind as personally I couldn't give a flying Feck what others think.

The information posted is my opinion and worth exactly what you have paid for it. What you believe is up to you

 

[Deleted member 6183]

Is there a link between BHP and cleaner engines?

 

[flango]

Yes a cleaner engine produces more BHP.

A cars BHP is always highest when it is new as time goes on BHP decreases, the two main causes for this are carbon deposits building up on engine internals and component wear due to friction. Modern fuel additives stop or dramatically reduce this hence maintaining BHP.

The BHP test I quoted was done on a brand new out of the box VW Golf GTi

The other main function of fuel additives is to aid combustion efficiency. So you can increase Octane or Cetane but you won't necessarily get better efficiency or more power unless you control the burn pattern. Often when just increasing Octane or Cetane the extra increase is lost in urburnt fuel due to inefficiency of the burn. Unburnt fuel plays havoc with Cats and O2 sensors

IMHO clean is good

 

[Ruppert the bea]

Ever wonder why we need a fuel filter at all for our car?

Is someone trying to tell us the fuel we buy “IS” not be clean??

Fuel contamination is actually a massive global problem and the world spends billion per year treating the symptoms but yet engines are still being damaged on a daily basis due to bad fuel.

Some recent examples:-

US
http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Filling-Station-Accused-of-Selling-Tainted-Gasoline-371762842.html

UK
https://youtu.be/DdPcZuaU378

AUS
https://youtu.be/FV5kLci60Qo

India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1-pW47XIfQ

Drivers pay for fuel – not water and fuel.

Check this link out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC4c1XCY_54

 

[markjay]

We should also consider ownership pattern. Some owners don't keep cars for very long, and the long-term effects of running a cleaner engine will simply benefit someone else two or three further owners down the line... so buying cheap fuel now and letting someone else deal with the carbon deposits later is actually a commercial viable strategy... the type of fuel used is not a factor when considering the car's resell value.

I don't disagree with this logic... but personally only use Shell V-Power

 

[Flackadder]

This area is not actually my division but because I'm a petrolhead I talk with the automotive guys very very frequently. Our star performers are fuel additives, antifreeze/coolants and brake fluid all for high end applications.

I do get swayed by this and the fact I've been in motorsport/motortrade for 30+ years.

The thing that really convinced me (although I didn't need much convincing) apart from the science I know from work was. We once did an engine repair on a BMW 530d which had covered 70,000 miles. The owner was a real scrooge and it had been run all its life on a particular brand of supermarket fuel. The head was so gummed up with deposits it was unreal as was the EGR valve etc.. Then my nephews BMW 525d decided to ingest a swirl flap so we had to strip the engine, this car had covered 127,000 miles and had run all its life on Shell V Power diesel. The difference was night and day this head was clean as a whistle no deposits at all in fact no trace of black gunge.

I'm not saying this was all down to the fuel as I suspect the first BMW had missed some services and had the wrong oil used at some stage but even so the difference was striking

So people who say supermarket fuel is as good as branded fuel let them believe that, sure the base spec is the same but the additive packages are way different.

Sorry to digress but to answer your question Shell for me or if I can't find Shell then Texaco their Techron additive package is really very good.

Very rare you get poor fuel these days and has been said it's usually down to tank management or fuel with low additive levels that's been sat in the tank for ages.

Below are independent test results on a Golf GTi to assess performance of various fuels in terms of power

Bp unleaded 236.1 bhp
Asda unleaded 235.8bhp
Bp ultimate 236.7bhp
Esso supreme 240.5bhp
Shell V power 240.9bhp

Results are an average of 5 dyno runs and are statistically solid.

Interesting which one produces the lowest BHP I wonder why

Would be interesting to see the Asda Super (if there is any).

Saying that, it would not change me from always using the top fuel from whatever station I use. Living out in the 'sticks' mean I am not always going to be able to use Shell V. More often then not it will be BP.

 

[brucemillar]

My point in this thread was to show that it is not always the actual fuel that is the issue. It is the handling and storage of the fuel that causes the "biggest" problems and these handling problems are being seen against all fuel brands & types.