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Thinking of buying an R129

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Hi all

As per the title, I'm thinking of buying an R129. I've had a search round for buyers guides but I've not managed to find anything detailed (except the German site and I'm afraid my German isn't that good). However from what I understand the key issues to check are the operation of the electric hood and condition of the wiring loom on early cars.

Is there anything else I should be looking for. One thing that I am concerned about is whether the quality of the vehicles (particularly the paintwork) deteriorated about the time of the final facelift.

Thank in advance for your thoughts.

Todd
 
I think the R129 is a solid model all over. Ive never heard of major rust on a R129 really.

Ive got a couple in should you wish to try them for size.. although probably not new enough for you.. one is a 93 the other a 97.
 
I've seen your 97 and I am very tempted by it. Unfortunately it will be shared with my parents (it will live in their garage, so my MGB need to be evicted). They seem dead set on the latest possible car. I'm not convinced that the latest cars are of the the same quality. So I'm trying to find out whether my impressions have any substance.

If I was closer to Nuneaton I would definitely be paying you a visit.

Thanks
 
Thanks for the pointers, I'd missed those in my searches.

One other question I have is: For the final facelift the wheel size increased from 16" to 17", did this effect the ride significantly?
 
One other question I have is: For the final facelift the wheel size increased from 16" to 17", did this effect the ride significantly?
I would doubt it. Mine had 17s for the first 3 years was absolutely fine. It's a little harsher now on 18s, but not excessive.

Bear in mind that tyre choice (brand & type) can affect ride quality too.
 
I think a member here SETANTA has an SL500 for sale
 
^^ And a very nice looking one at that :)

Final facelift 500 with pano roof, silver with black leather, sensible/low miles :cool:

It was on eBay recently.

Will
 
I've been through this myself very recently. I lost count of the number of cars I went to see that were very poorly turned out. The prices vary wildly from £4k to £12k. Buy the best you can afford and don't worry about how old it is. On the plus side the older it is the cheaper it'll be to insure as a classic.

In the end I plumped for 1992 with FSH and the older 4 speed Auto (less to go wrong). It's a beautiful car, it's had a couple of electrical gremlins that are pretty much sorted now (ignition switch fault). Don't be blinded by how new it is. My car is in much better condition than a 1999 I car I looked at.

History, mileage and condition seam to be what sets the price and not necessarily the age.

I hope this helps

Steve
 
I tried eight 500s before buying a 1997. Its closest rival was a 2000, but the 1997 was in better overall condition. The differences between earlier and later models were difficult to detect, but I came away with a slight feeling that there was no performance difference to worry about in everyday driving and that the earlier cars felt a bit more solid. I helped a friend buy one, and the one thing he regrets about his 1994 car is that the later interior door panels are tidier and less intrusive (speaker configuration).

As far as the wheel size is concerned, a previous owner changed mine from 16" 8-holes to 17" windmills (Albali). Initially I wished he hadn't done it, but over the four months of owning the car I can't really complain about the ride and I have grown to like the appearance of the wheels.

I archived the following, so you may find it elsewhere in this forum:

I've just been through this process. Search Autotrader and Pistonheads for starters. There are plenty of R129s around, with the 500 in a minority and the 600 in a tiny minority.

My impression of Cheshire Classic Benz is favourable, but that's an wallet-wincing price for an early car, even with moderate mileage (check CCB's own site for the downside of a low-mileage car). There are dozens of cars for sale in the £5000 to £12000 range, and a few at higher prices. You don't say where you are, but it seems to me that prices are often less realistic away from the South East; that may seem counter-intuitive, but I suspect it has to do with local availablity of cars and the intensity of local competition.

Buying from a dealer does make sense in many circumstances, but from my limited experience the supposed benefits are elusive. Wherever you buy, budget £200 or so for a pre-purchase inspection by someone who knows the model intimately. Walk away from anyone who resists a PPI. Look out for traders (no garage/showroom) wanting to be seen as dealers; this is not so say beware of them, but they offer little if anything beyond what you'd get from a private vendor. I can hardly say "beware": I bought my car from a trader, but I reckoned he was trustworthy and we established early on that he could offer little over a private vendor.

The most common fault I found among those I test-drove was faulty or failed A/C. Corrosion is rare, but it does exist. Watch out for extensive bonnet rash too, touched in or not. Above all, make sure the soft-top works properly. I don't like the special editions (interiors, mostly). Some are not so special: I inspected and drove one that had no memory function on the electric seats -- the worst option of all (as I know from my E320 Coupé). It also had 18" wheels (275/35 rear and 245/? front), so a bad ride and so much tramlining that I was glad to get back in my 1984 Capri 2.8i.

There's also stacks of stuff on the Web. Try these:

Info about the R129 SL class | BrianClifton.com

Mercedes SL500 R129 1990s History

And there's an active R129 forum at:

Benzworld.org - Mercedes-Benz Discussion Forum

Let us know how you get on.
 
Thanks for the information, it's given me a lot to consider. It would appear that my concerns about the quality of later cars are misplaced. So it opens up the possibilities.

Much as if I look at a 500 it would become extremely tempting, I'll probably restrict my search to 320s, with a light interior.
 
I think my r129 m119 was sat around a fair bit in garages for a lot of it's life (n reg made in late 95 and first bought in feb 96 now has 84k on the clock ) , thus the convertible roof had hardly ever been used . i checked it worked ok before buying but the rear window cracked in a major way after about the third time of use . (something on my to do list ).

bought 4 new pirelli p6000 for it and had new front disks and pads put on as the last owner had only done about 2000 miles in 4 years on mixed front / back tyres all a bit cracked, he was the kind of person who bought a nice car and would have it sat in his garage and only drive it on bank holidays and only have the 2 year oil change as he had'nt been anywhere .

the only other problem i've had is with the drivers seat control only going forwards , even if you push the button backwards which makes it a bit tight and uncomfortable when your 6ft an 18st+ ... very carefully took the door lining off and unscrewed the seat control "switch pack" took it apart and used a generic pcb cleaner which did'nt disolve the plastic switches now have a perfectly working seat .

mpg 14 round town and nearly 30 on a run to devon using cruise control at 70 as much as possible , good for a 5L car .

My next ppm for the vehicle is new hoses , water pump , rad , belt , spark plugs & dizzy caps .
 
also don't expect the rear window heating to work like it does in any other car :D

i still love driving my 96 r129 every day, (except in the snow but am sorting out a set of winter tyres)
 
"I'll probably restrict my search to 320s"

A close-run thing. My 1996 320 Coupé's engine is superb and has yet to exhibit the wiring-harness problems that are known to affect 1993-95 (?96) cars. It's a supreme example of the qualities of a good in-line six, and in everyday terms you wouldn't miss the 500. All that said, from everything I have read and could judge, I became convinced that the 500 was the right engine for the model. But, it's a close-run thing . . . although I doubt that the fuel consumption is that much different, given the surprisingly heavy weight of the car.
 
^^ And a very nice looking one at that :)

Final facelift 500 with pano roof, silver with black leather, sensible/low miles :cool:

It was on eBay recently.

Will

Thanks

I had looked at a lot and the usual ruubish, dodgy traders etc popped up. I was used to the V8's but wanted a facelift model but most of those are sixes.

The v8's in the update are rare. They are a very quick car and brilliant to drive.
 
A post '96 facelift 500 was the 'sweet spot' for me.
 
Well I've taken the plunge and bought one. Not quite the first one I saw, it was the second.

Simon Light in Ware had one of the last facelift 320s to exactly the spec I was looking for, Panoramic roof, light interior and Xenons. It's not low mileage at 76,000, but I prefer cars that have actually been used rather than stored all their life.

All the systems seem to work although I was a bit disappointed by having to drive it home in the rain. Hopefully the summer will provide better oportunities to enjoy the converible. It may well be going to the Le Mans Classic later in the year.
 
"It's not low mileage at 76,000, but I prefer cars that have actually been used rather than stored all their life."

Amen to that. Anyway, at 76k it's in late youth rather than middle age or beyond.

Enjoy your car -- I'm sure you will. The 320 is no slouch and is perhaps the pinnacle of MB straight sixes. I have it in my W124 Coupé.
 
So far my major impression is that the engine is very different to my normal diesels, less urgent in it's thrust, but smoother.
 
So far my major impression is that the engine is very different to my normal diesels, less urgent in it's thrust, but smoother.

No comparison to a diesel...
 

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