Toyota Problems Go from Bad to Worse

[Ted]

I know my rights!!

 

[prprandall51]

Incorrect.

Do not mistake the fact that people will group together to litigate something that is unjust with a desire to exploit a system.

But that is exactly what the Americans are doing - exploiting the system.

Were it to become apparent that Toyotas had an inherent design fault but Toyota denied its existence and continued making cars with a potential to crash, I would be the first to support a group of public-spirited citizens who had come together in a single voice to take on the mighty manufacturer to get them to change things for the better.

But what we have here is completely different. There were a few crashes (due, it would appear, to intellectually retarded drivers who were unable to cope with a perfectly manageable problem of a sticking accelerator) so Toyota swiftly stepped in and pro-actively got on with the business of fixing all cars, no matter how remote the contingency that the problem could occur in those cars.

AFTER Toyota had initiated remedial action, a large group of concerned citizens - concerned only that a gravy train was leaving town and they might miss it - got together with a single voice to exploit the piteously anti-corporate legal system in the USA to swell their bank accounts.

There is nothing noble or just in their action, it is motivated purely by greed. If there is something - anything - wrong with your motor car in America, there is a Government body you simply report it to and they act immediately. There is no need for a class action, unless your trailer needs new tyres.

 

[Oily Rag]

Yep,

More of those actions ought to be initiated here.

But they won't because apathy won't inspire enough affected individuals to get off their hinds in the common good.

This is the type of comment that indirectly would find its way to the front pages of the press, only because its sensational, and I don't mean in the good term of use. Is this what the world has come to," if you don't like it, or don't know how to use it, or your feet are too big for the pedals !, sue. Well in my book, common sense prevails. Tell me please, where does this course of action stop. They are doing this BECAUSE THEY CAN, Not because its right.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[kwakdonut]

They must be thanking their 3 pointed star that they don't sell a four-pot anything in the US, especially, horror of horrors, a four-pot diesel.

Think you will find that is changing!!

 

[Londonscottish]

And that's hysteria because....?

Awdi didn't research the market and design a car suitable for the US market and caused users to have an accident - allegedly.

Well I wouldn't agree there. They are pretty much the same pedals as you get on all VAG cars. No one ever reported this happening on US Golfs, Passats, etc. But then again no one drove one of them into a wall and went public. So there was no bandwagon to jump on. And no $$;s to be made......And, oddly enough, no Audi in the other 100 or so countries they were sold in EVER recorded a similar instance. Funny that.

It's all about abdication of individual responsibility coupled with a desire to make a fast buck. Take the admittedly awful case where the Lexus driver and his family died when his pedal stuck. He went for MILES like that and had plenty of time to call the emergency services. Why he didn't just (a) adjust the carpet or (b) knock the car into neutral or (c) turn the engine off I don't know.

Some people get a kick off the sensationalism. Some stand to make a buck. The media love to whip it up. And it's all totally out of proportion.

My (official Mercedes) overmat moves around sometimes and interferes with the pedals. However the follwing headline isn't going to make front pages "Man in North West London notices carpet is touching pedals and adjust it before he sets off".

 

[Oily Rag]

Incorrect.

Do not mistake the fact that people will group together to litigate something that is unjust with a desire to exploit a system.

There is nothing "Darwinian" about seeking legal redress for a known problem.

The greater misdeed is to let things pass because "someone else will take care of it".

Our nation has become a prime example of this over the last thirty years.

No prizes for spotting the event that sparked off the demise of our society..

I think you'll find the term you're looking for is "Draconian", an often harsh and unrelenting law, and nothing at all to do with the THEORY of Evolution.

 

[HR17]

I think you'll find the term you're looking for is "Draconian", an often harsh and unrelenting law, and nothing at all to do with the THEORY of Evolution.

Read my initial post on page one for the correct context of my use of the term 'Darwinian'.

Also, the theory has been proven to be correct.

 

[mbenz76]

Whenever I hear of people trying to claim money for something it winds me up.

Unless you have financially lost out, asking for money achieves nothing other than showing you are a greedy individual with limited morals. And even if you have financially lost out, demanding millions when all you have lost is a few days work etc. is ridiculous.

I suppose what is more ridiculous are the judges who pander to them.

 

[itsamerc]

But that is exactly what the Americans are doing - exploiting the system.

Were it to become apparent that Toyotas had an inherent design fault but Toyota denied its existence and continued making cars with a potential to crash, I would be the first to support a group of public-spirited citizens who had come together in a single voice to take on the mighty manufacturer to get them to change things for the better.

But what we have here is completely different. There were a few crashes (due, it would appear, to intellectually retarded drivers who were unable to cope with a perfectly manageable problem of a sticking accelerator) so Toyota swiftly stepped in and pro-actively got on with the business of fixing all cars, no matter how remote the contingency that the problem could occur in those cars.

AFTER Toyota had initiated remedial action, a large group of concerned citizens - concerned only that a gravy train was leaving town and they might miss it - got together with a single voice to exploit the piteously anti-corporate legal system in the USA to swell their bank accounts.

There is nothing noble or just in their action, it is motivated purely by greed. If there is something - anything - wrong with your motor car in America, there is a Government body you simply report it to and they act immediately. There is no need for a class action, unless your trailer needs new tyres.

I agree with para 1 and the stuff outside brackets in para 2. Para 3 I do not know enough about to comment.

In reality companies that fail to address problems deserve to have their reputation and finances damaged by such claims and bad publicity. Toyota however appear to be doing all the right things to make good a design flaw.

Perhaps we should consider how many products would be effected by the low tolerance approach being taken by the Americans on this occasion. if you do, it does begin to feel as if this is simply financial opportunism rather than problem resolution.

Hey ho!

 

[jasonyw]

What the likelyhood Toyoda will be the first auto co to go bankrupt?

 

[Oily Rag]

What the likelyhood Toyoda will be the first auto co to go bankrupt?

There is every likelyhood if these vultures get a toe in the door.

 

[scumbag]

Can I sue Toyota on the principle of mental anguish about wanting to buy one and being put off, thus having to buy Mercedes at the vastly over inflated prices they charge?