W204 C63 - Anyone Owned Coupe AND Saloon?

[markjay]

Specifically to the OP's question, the lighter car of the two will have better performance, though the actual difference may be small and in any event performance might not be highest of the OP's list. Again, as a rule, coupes are lighter than saloons, but this depends on the spec (e.g. pano roof).

Regarding the BS, this isn't simply a 'fast road' car, instead it is perhaps best-defined as a road-legal track car. This means that power-to-weight ratio will be a major consideration during the design phase. Adding weight is acceptable only when if aids performance (power or handling), or as result of regulations requirements (fire extinguisher, roll-cage, etc). Which is why a BS is unlikely to be a saloon or have a pano roof (and I will be surprised if it has aircon?). This is also why the use light alloyed and Kevlar.

Many years ago I helped prepared car for off-road rally..... basically we started with a stock Golf GTI, then removed everything we could - down to the roof lining - until we got to exactly the minimum weight stipulated by the organisers. After that, the only thing that remained was to convince the driver to lose weight....

 

[Sydoo]

Thanks all, clearly an emotive subject when it comes to weight. My observation is that every coupe I have seen has a pan roof so surely on that basis every coupe is a ‘heavier’ proposition than its 4 door counterpart?

I am not a track person, spent some time back along at track days in a VX220 and then an S2000 but don’t really feel a V8 is made for the track. For me this car will be a second car, to jump into after 6 days of shifts, to enjoy my 4 days of rest and go on spirited drives across the Mendip Hills, meet with friends (Alfa 4C, CLA45 AMG, RS3, M4, VX220) and feel I have chosen a suitable weapon.

It will also be used for holidays with the family, trips up to Nottingham to see friends so needs a modicum of practicality which is where the saloon wins me over.

Be interested to hear anyone who has come from, or previously owned an E92 M3 as that was the other car on my list, however with that I would have to have bought cheaper to factor in doing rod bearings and actuators for peace of mind. I asked a question of someone who sold their C63 estate and replaced it with an M4 and a few M3 owners chipped in and said the Merc was the better car - surprised to find that on a BMW forum!

Si

 

[Steve84N]

My observation is that every coupe I have seen has a pan roof so surely on that basis every coupe is a ‘heavier’ proposition than its 4 door counterpart?

Yes, as I said above.

However, we're talking about small amounts, especially in percentage terms. For example I've found quoted weights of 1,730kg and then 1,795kg for the estate. The coupe is probably in the middle but even the estate is less than 4% heavier.

In short, don't worry about weight and just choose the one you prefer.

 

[sirius9]

C63 Coupe with Pano roof is about 167lbs - 75kg heavier than saloon. Thats all i know.

 

[markjay]

C63 Coupe with Pano roof is about 167lbs - 75kg heavier than saloon. Thats all i know.

Well I hope the excess 75Kg are not all in the roof.... or the car's stability will be adversely affected.

 

[markjay]

I just had a look at a UK price list dated 1 December 2012, which also gives the spec and dimensions.

The official figures (for 2012) are:

C63 AMG Saloon - glass sunroof as standard- 1,730Kg

C63 AMG Couple - panoramic glass roof as standard - 1,730Kg

So it seems that the weight lost by the omission of the rear door was re-gained by the addition of the sunroof.

So that's the definitive answer.... they both weigh exactly the same


...in base spec with no options selected.

(The estate, BTW, is 1,795Kg)

 

[DRBC43AMG]

Well, the C63 Coupe I'm looking at doesn't have the glass roof, so I guess that's 75kg gained

 

[Steve84N]

Sounds odd, got a link to it?

 

[Steve84N]

So that's the definitive answer.... they both weigh exactly the same

It's not that simple. Rarely are press released weights correct and they lack the detail of reality. I can also find a quoted weight of 1,655kg for the saloon, which is 75kg less than 1,730kg for the coupe...

Looking around, actual cars weighed tend to come in just under 1,800kg.

 

[AMV]

I hope you are not looking at a C205, rather than the C204.

All c63 coupes barring the black series version had panoramic roofs from factory.

 

[markjay]

I hope you are not looking at a C205, rather than the C204.

All c63 coupes barring the black series version had panoramic roofs from factory.

It's not that simple. Rarely are press released weights correct and they lack the detail of reality. I can also find a quoted weight of 1,655kg for the saloon, which is 75kg less than 1,730kg for the coupe...

Looking around, actual cars weighed tend to come in just under 1,800kg.

I wasn't looking at press releases. I was looking as the Price List, which contains detailed spec and options (though obviously there's always a possibility of an error in the spec provided). The price list is dated 2012, so obviously W204. It covers all W204 models from C180 up to 'C63 AMG', but there's no BS on that list or any of the power option for the C63 etc.

 

[markjay]

Saloon:

 

[markjay]

This is the coupe:

 

[markjay]

In base spec, the 2012 W204 C63 AMG saloon and coupe weigh the same, according to this data.

But we should keep in mind that the W204 coupe cars in general (not just the C63) were offered with different standard spec to the saloon/estate, so we can only compare the 'OTR' weight at the gate of the dealership, but not really work-out the net weight differences between 'naked' coupe and saloon.

 

[Skd884]

Bs 1635kg -

 

[markjay]

So the BS is lighter... which makes sense,... though some suggested that the BS was actually heavier?

That said, the reason I looked-up the spec in the UK Price List, and not elsewhere, is because this will show the weight for a UK-spec car.

Relying on generic data provided by MB won't really tell us the weight of a car with UK standard spec.

 

[DRBC43AMG]

Don't have 100% proof but looking at this photo, it doesn't seem to have the panoramic roof. This coupe was first delivered in Italy before making it's way to Switzerland so that perhaps explains possible differences with UK versions

 

[slimtater]

My first ever post as a newbie! I have just had the same dilemma twice over. I had a Monaro VXR which I loved but needed to go auto due to a back/L leg issue. I was looking for an auto VXR8 supercharged as they don't do a UK auto Monaro - plus the VXR8s are newer.

I then started looking at other options and suddenly the C63 was ticking every box for me. I did contemplate the saloon for all the reasons mentioned above but there is just something about that coupe shape....

 

[Allan AMG]

What is your budget? Nice one has just come up for sale in the classifieds

[SOLD] - 2014 C63 AMG W204 | Mercedes Cars for Sale

Tentatively listing my car for sale as a few cars i’ve had my eyes on for a while have started to pop up for sale. This car has been used as a weekend car. 2014 C63 W204 Saloon Full Mercedes Benz Service History MoT January 2021. Mercedes AMG AUC Warranty until Jan 2021 (Transferable £25 Fee)...

forums.mbclub.co.uk

 

[Sydoo]

What is your budget? Nice one has just come up for sale in the classifieds

[SOLD] - 2014 C63 AMG W204 | Mercedes Cars for Sale

Tentatively listing my car for sale as a few cars i’ve had my eyes on for a while have started to pop up for sale. This car has been used as a weekend car. 2014 C63 W204 Saloon Full Mercedes Benz Service History MoT January 2021. Mercedes AMG AUC Warranty until Jan 2021 (Transferable £25 Fee)...

forums.mbclub.co.uk

Thanks for the link, it’s a little too much for me, I was looking at £20k that has crept a little depending on colour/spec etc. I don’t know if it’s a buyers market right now - how many people will be going out to buy a 6.2l V8 petrol car?!?

Another question if you don’t mind, read some stuff on here about red cars, issues with paint etc. Would it be advisable to steer clear of red cars?
There are a couple within ‘stretching’ distance and I have always been a fan of red cars especially when freshly waxed

Si