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I was saying that to 350CLS, I’m of the same opinion as you Alex
W204 C63 Gear box issue?
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Doh! I should read first.I was saying that to 350CLS, I’m of the same opinion as you Alex
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Your are implying the mct is a weaker unit to that a torque converter box on the vehicles you mentioned on a previous post. I disagree. It's all dependent on how a gear box has been treated. Have had a few 5 speeds and find them very slow, hesitant, temperamental than the mct. Personally I would take an mct over a 5 speed any day of the WEAK 
Simple answer is, abuse it by driving it like an idiot and it will break something very expensive.
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Have I missed the post where the op said he drove it like a prat using launch control every day or costed in N revving the balls off it? 
Why is this being said? I think we should assume he's sensible and unlucky. Anyway, its an amg, whats the point of that if he can't floor it now and then from the lights?
OP: the general consensus of those possessing logic or expertise seems to be get it checked by someone competent who is a MB expert with Star diagnostics (vital) and that it could be the mct clutch (which is better news than a gearbox hopefully).
Why is this being said? I think we should assume he's sensible and unlucky. Anyway, its an amg, whats the point of that if he can't floor it now and then from the lights?OP: the general consensus of those possessing logic or expertise seems to be get it checked by someone competent who is a MB expert with Star diagnostics (vital) and that it could be the mct clutch (which is better news than a gearbox hopefully).
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Ok not ideal but even so revving in neutral is hardly uber detrimental. However, "loaning it out" sounds very ominous. I'd suggest multiple launch control type scenarios have fecked it due to the mct wet clutch... An old torque converter 5 speed would have shrugged off that abuse!
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Bul.s.itOk not ideal but even so revving in neutral is hardly uber detrimental. However, "loaning it out" sounds very ominous. I'd suggest multiple launch control type scenarios have fecked it due to the mct wet clutch... An old torque converter 5 speed would have shrugged off that abuse!
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Bul.s.it
I'm sure your MCT is fine, stop worrying. The chap below sums up the situation minus all the technical information you find so difficult.
"the 7 speed torque converter box is way more able for extra torque and power over the MCT I have read. But like anything, if abused you will pay the price in the long run." -350cls
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Oh ok you are moving on to the 7 speed torque converter box now. Make your mind up chap for god sake.
Stick to your dinosaur 5 speed you'll be just fine
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Oh ok you are moving on to the 7 speed torque converter box now. Make your mind up chap for god sake.
Stick to your dinosaur 5 speed you'll be just fine
Thread discussion is about wet clutches vs torque converters matey
Get your reading specs out.
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Thread discussion is about wet clutches vs torque converters matey
The thread discussion is about a faulty mct gearbox. It's not about TC box Vs Mct box. You have got that wrong for a start. Like you made a comment, regarding the M113 engine vehicles would be less money to run over the op vehicle in question. Totally different engines and performance from both and different gear boxes. To say one is much less cost effective over the other is bul.s.it
i.e why I said it. If you believe the TC box 5 or 7 to be that much cost effective over the mct transmission why did mercedes/AMG discontiue the transmission in the op vehicle.
Good day I'm done with this. Stick to your 5/7/8/9 /10 TC box
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The whole thread has been about what might be possibly wrong with the poor OP's MCT gearbox - which is simply a normal auto box with a wet friction clutch on the front. And the smart money is on the mct clutch being knackered because they don't stand up to abuse as much as a torque converter (on average - maybe yours let go and you're still smarting?). No one has said your mct is poo, or you're stupid, or talking bul.s.it (as you love to tell others), or owning one means you are silly, or anything negative. It's a great device for a sports car. It's fascinating people like you dole it out but can't take it.
Epic flounce though mate, don't forget to lift your skirt tails on the way out
Epic flounce though mate, don't forget to lift your skirt tails on the way out
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The whole thread has been about what might be possibly wrong with the poor OP's MCT gearbox - which is simply a normal auto box with a wet friction clutch on the front. And the smart money is on the mct clutch being knackered because they don't stand up to abuse as much as a torque converter (on average - maybe yours let go and you're still smarting?). No one has said your mct is poo, or you're stupid, or talking bul.s.it (as you love to tell others), or owning one means you are silly, or anything negative. It's a great device for a sports car. It's fascinating people like you dole it out but can't take it.
Epic flounce though mate, don't forget to lift your skirt tails on the way out
Well said you deserve a big sloppy kiss I'll send you one
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It is weaker. No doubt about that. The amount we have replaced is just shocking. The old TC set up is much more reliable but there is a forefit and that is that they are not as dynamic. "Pays ya money and ya takes ya choice."Your are implying the mct is a weaker unit to that a torque converter box on the vehicles you mentioned on a previous post. I disagree. It's all dependent on how a gear box has been treated. Have had a few 5 speeds and find them very slow, hesitant, temperamental than the mct. Personally I would take an mct over a 5 speed any day of the WEAK
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a couple years ago when I had by w212 bi-turbo... i had issues with my box. Car was taken to Wayne Gates. Diagnostics could not pick up any fault codes. Terry said it was more than likely mechanical. and meant it had to be stripped down and investigated. Cost wise he said find a secondhand box. as if they started to investigate, the cost for damaged parts/ labour and delivery times could escalate quite easily. .. so I managed to get a gearbox for similar engine but off an S63. and had only done 15,000 miles. Terry fitted this with new wet clutch and the associated electrics off the old box and all good at the end. cost of box was £800 and all the labour etc came to around £1100. when they got the old box out various components were broken and it would have cost more to rebuild the thing
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Question to the specialist's out there.
How much to rebuild/replace an mct 7 speed gearbox, curious?
Ive said in a previous post the 5 speed is dated out with the ark. It's a robust old piece of kit. Very dated with it's performance, without it's own issues.
The 7 mct box is out with the ark now to. Most boxes are 9 speeds now I believe. My point was, originally, it costs as much if not more to replace/rebuild a torque converter box to that of an mct transmission. This was my original point.
I.e bul.s.it.
Like I have said if the 7 speed tc was that superior to that of the 7 speed mct why did they discontinue it in the op vehicle.
How much for a MCT 7speed.rebuild/replacement box.
The 5 speed in the e55k was ok but it was no mct 7 speed in my opinion.
Like has been said way back in the thread. If one drives any car like an idiot time after time letting every Jim, James, and Pete jump in, it's only one way that gearbox will go and that's down hill. Regardless of a 5 7 speed or an mct.
Point to self, I better stop driving my mct like a jackass, otherwise it will come back to bite me
How much to rebuild/replace an mct 7 speed gearbox, curious?
Ive said in a previous post the 5 speed is dated out with the ark. It's a robust old piece of kit. Very dated with it's performance, without it's own issues.
The 7 mct box is out with the ark now to. Most boxes are 9 speeds now I believe. My point was, originally, it costs as much if not more to replace/rebuild a torque converter box to that of an mct transmission. This was my original point.
I.e bul.s.it.
Like I have said if the 7 speed tc was that superior to that of the 7 speed mct why did they discontinue it in the op vehicle.
How much for a MCT 7speed.rebuild/replacement box.
The 5 speed in the e55k was ok but it was no mct 7 speed in my opinion.
Like has been said way back in the thread. If one drives any car like an idiot time after time letting every Jim, James, and Pete jump in, it's only one way that gearbox will go and that's down hill. Regardless of a 5 7 speed or an mct.
Point to self, I better stop driving my mct like a jackass, otherwise it will come back to bite me
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I didn't say the 5 speed was superior (apart from in robustness and affordability). It's slower and out of date for sure, but very reliable and if the OP was on a budget but wants an AMG that's relevant.
The 7 speed mct sounds like the perfect box to me (except the wet clutch not as strong as a torque converter). It sounds like (and the pro mechanic would be best to talk on this) that the important thing is to get the mct clutch replaced the moment it starts misbehaving before it chucks debris into the 7 speed automatic and wrecks that too(?).
Personally I wouldn't like a 9 speed, mct or otherwise... that's one step away from a CVT and they're awful droning things and who wants to change manually through 9 gears ffs I'd loose count. Imho cars should have somewhere between 4 and 7 gears max. So the mct 7 with snappy gears and amg power sounds like the pinnacle of driving pleasure (but don't use launch control every day of the week). Now if they did a manual amg with 4 speed manual + overdrive I'd be in shitty piggy heaven
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The 7 speed mct sounds like the perfect box to me (except the wet clutch not as strong as a torque converter). It sounds like (and the pro mechanic would be best to talk on this) that the important thing is to get the mct clutch replaced the moment it starts misbehaving before it chucks debris into the 7 speed automatic and wrecks that too(?).
Personally I wouldn't like a 9 speed, mct or otherwise... that's one step away from a CVT and they're awful droning things and who wants to change manually through 9 gears ffs I'd loose count. Imho cars should have somewhere between 4 and 7 gears max. So the mct 7 with snappy gears and amg power sounds like the pinnacle of driving pleasure (but don't use launch control every day of the week). Now if they did a manual amg with 4 speed manual + overdrive I'd be in shitty piggy heaven
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