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What is going on - No more Petrol/Diesel by 2040
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We live in a period of complete madness,if the green lobby had their way we would be all riding horses,no they are not allowed because they fart,ok ,I will never drive or own a electric car,when a car has to be fitted with a button top simulate car noises as you drive along it has to be completely stupid,the governments have not thought this through,95% of everything we buy is delivered by big trucks,the greens are worried by the CO2 and yet they let the Chinese sign up to the Paris accord saying their CO2 will peak in 2030,this is allowing them to build lots of new coal fired power stations increasing their pollution until it peaks in 2030 and then they will take out the oldest ones and show the world they have complied with Paris,what motorists should do is not buy any cars new or second hand for two years that will jolt the government to understand that they are going about this wrongly.
AlexM
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It's another piece of Michael Gove idiocy. As chair of the SMMT said, UK plc makes a pretty good profit from selling luxury petrol engined cars overseas - think RR, Bentley, AM, Jaguar to markets where there will be no phase out.
How are they to sell into these markets when there is no domestic market?. Where will the extra GW of electrical power come from? how will the distribution network be funded? so many unanswered questions, it's farcical. Where is the consultation?
How are they to sell into these markets when there is no domestic market?. Where will the extra GW of electrical power come from? how will the distribution network be funded? so many unanswered questions, it's farcical. Where is the consultation?
Due to infirmity I am reduced to driving a 190bhp 8 speed auto, but by heck it is nearly as quick as my SLK was.
Even quicker are the aeroplanes that I now fly when I can afford to.
Not quite sure what I will be piloting in 2 years time when I get to the ripe young age of 80!
You are an example to us all Sir.
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LOL...you don't do sarcasm, or tongue in cheek...the op is over 40 already.
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I have the use of two cars at the moment, my CL500, and my wife's i3. To be honest I'm using the i3 most of the time (when it's available). My journeys range from 20miles to 200 miles. Most of the charging is done overnight but if we have a long journey, I just stop for a piss and a tea, plug the i3 to an ecotricity charger at the services. (Bladder range is more important than car range, it's an age thing.......) therefore range is not an issue for me, and based upon the average car daily use, it wouldn't be for the vast majority of drivers. Yes that doesn't cover all drivers, but with over 20 years to go before the ban on new sales, and based upon the rate of techno progress, I can't see it being an issue to be concerned about.
As for the possibility of grid blackouts recently raised in the press due to as little as 7 cars charging at the same time, and the need for 3 (or is it 7 new Hinckley point power stations to charge these cars) I say follow the money, i.e. Look at who paid for that research. I charge at night, and with a little "smart" technology i.e. staggering the time of the start of an overnight charge, (max current draw is at the start of any charge) the effects can be smoothed out. But why let a few facts get in the way of a bit of vested interest.
Seriously, given the rate of progress you will not recognise battery technology in 20years time. Any argument based on what electric cars we have now is a little stretched.
To be honest I think the government has missed a trick, it should have brought the date forward, nothing like a deadline to get firms pushing boundaries.
As for the possibility of grid blackouts recently raised in the press due to as little as 7 cars charging at the same time, and the need for 3 (or is it 7 new Hinckley point power stations to charge these cars) I say follow the money, i.e. Look at who paid for that research. I charge at night, and with a little "smart" technology i.e. staggering the time of the start of an overnight charge, (max current draw is at the start of any charge) the effects can be smoothed out. But why let a few facts get in the way of a bit of vested interest.
Seriously, given the rate of progress you will not recognise battery technology in 20years time. Any argument based on what electric cars we have now is a little stretched.
To be honest I think the government has missed a trick, it should have brought the date forward, nothing like a deadline to get firms pushing boundaries.
MarkACLS
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I'll be 68 when this comes into force.. i doubt i will care too much about it.
Given the unbelievable speed of technological change happening right now, in 23 years any logistical or technological hurdle will be overcome by then.
Private industry in the UK between now and then will have a chance to break new ground and develop new and relevant world wide in demand specialisims in this and adjacent technologies and capabilities that could (out of necessity) drive the british automotive, software and manufacturing sectors to new heights.
If we as a people and generation view this as our 'reach for the moon' space race moment it could be very good for the UK suffering under foreign automotive and manufacturing leadership resigned to be an assembler of things but not the brain trust.
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Given the unbelievable speed of technological change happening right now, in 23 years any logistical or technological hurdle will be overcome by then.
Private industry in the UK between now and then will have a chance to break new ground and develop new and relevant world wide in demand specialisims in this and adjacent technologies and capabilities that could (out of necessity) drive the british automotive, software and manufacturing sectors to new heights.
If we as a people and generation view this as our 'reach for the moon' space race moment it could be very good for the UK suffering under foreign automotive and manufacturing leadership resigned to be an assembler of things but not the brain trust.
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They say necessity if the mother of invention, with Volvo going all hybrid/EV within in 2 years and VW having stated that they want to be the #1 EV company by 2025, there is clearly going to be a significant shift in powertrain technology in the foreseeable future and we'll see a big reduction in the amount of fossil fuel being consumed "at the pump", but I think the big elephant in the room now is, how are governments going to replace all the tax revenue they get from fossil fuels?
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My apologies if this has already been covered, but in regards this issue, i believe the national grid has already commented their concerns at this very early stage to the the loading on their system regards electric cars and their ability to not coupe with this potential load on te grid, I am doubting it.
I can only imagine their thoughts in 25 years time to the kettle and toaster going on first thing in the morning in many house holds, and then further loaded up by multi thousand electric cars owners, thinking 'bugger' forgot to charge the car, wonder what will happen to the grid.
My personal thought is, it's environmentally all going to be incorrect either way, burn fossil fuel or manufacturer batteries and dispose of accordingly, a liability in itself. Afraid I do not have an answer to this future policy myself, but like it or not, personally I like petrol cars, at least we have 23 years to go.
I can only imagine their thoughts in 25 years time to the kettle and toaster going on first thing in the morning in many house holds, and then further loaded up by multi thousand electric cars owners, thinking 'bugger' forgot to charge the car, wonder what will happen to the grid.
My personal thought is, it's environmentally all going to be incorrect either way, burn fossil fuel or manufacturer batteries and dispose of accordingly, a liability in itself. Afraid I do not have an answer to this future policy myself, but like it or not, personally I like petrol cars, at least we have 23 years to go.
That's not quite accurate. Michael Gove said 'blah blah blah, ban the sale of new Petrol/Diesel cars by 2040 and ban them completely by 2050.
My apologies if this has already been covered, but in regards this issue, i believe the national grid has already commented their concerns at this very early stage to the the loading on their system regards electric cars and their ability to not coupe with this potential load on te grid, I am doubting it.
I can only imagine their thoughts in 25 years time to the kettle and toaster going on first thing in the morning in many house holds, and then further loaded up by multi thousand electric cars owners, thinking 'bugger' forgot to charge the car, wonder what will happen to the grid.
My personal thought is, it's environmentally all going to be incorrect either way, burn fossil fuel or manufacturer batteries and dispose of accordingly, a liability in itself. Afraid I do not have an answer to this future policy myself, but like it or not, personally I like petrol cars, at least we have 23 years to go.
Considering there are 36+ million cars on UK roads, it's more likely to be millions plugging in.
We are already seeing problems at services we have a supposed pecking order of all electric cars feel that they should use the chargers first it is only a matter of time before we get murder done in the process of getting your car charged,but as I have said you will never see me plugging in a car.
As mentioned already regarding the Grid, what will (or can it) change for the Grid to be able to supply the extra power needed in the timeframe, and spend the money to.
I also feel sad, after growing up watching Saloon Cars, Thunder Saloons, Gt racings, to wonder what will happen. The likes of the Silverstone Classic will they still be able to put on their weekends.
I also feel sad, after growing up watching Saloon Cars, Thunder Saloons, Gt racings, to wonder what will happen. The likes of the Silverstone Classic will they still be able to put on their weekends.
